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Old 06-18-2018, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 991carreradriver View Post
I am sure that the GTS is more than capable and in fact in certain tests is faster 0-60 than the GT3, however there are not many GT3 drivers that care much about 0-60 times. What you will never experience is managing the torque that the GT3 creates in the 6k-9k range. It's is very similar to that of the 3.4L 991's talk about, they live above 6k rpm and love it to death. I know, I owned 2 of them. In the end, it does not matter. All that matters is that the car you acquire meets your needs, expectation and leaves you feeling very happy to drive it.
How does one manage torque in a GT2RS?
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Old 06-18-2018, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 991carreradriver View Post
I am sure that the GTS is more than capable and in fact in certain tests is faster 0-60 than the GT3, however there are not many GT3 drivers that care much about 0-60 times. What you will never experience is managing the torque that the GT3 creates in the 6k-9k range. It's is very similar to that of the 3.4L 991's talk about, they live above 6k rpm and love it to death. I know, I owned 2 of them. In the end, it does not matter. All that matters is that the car you acquire meets your needs, expectation and leaves you feeling very happy to drive it.
Yup. Perfectly said.
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Old 06-18-2018, 08:59 PM
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Thanks NINO, A picture says a thousand words to me. I was wondering how that integrated into the Elephant racing Front control arm. The pic told me. I was looking at getting the Anti-Dive/Anti Squat one that connects into it, but I see how the stock one does as well. Good job. Is that your car? I will do the camber plates as well. Quite a few nice elephant racing bits. Even tastier than the GT3 secret sauce lol, as a GT3 can upgrade to these as well.

I believe I am a slightly better driver than my friend. He has a Manual GT3, and I have a PDK GTS. I have done plenty of driving courses. It was more about hardware. I won't upset anyone anymore, I will keep my mods to my self.
Just PM me if you want to know.
Not my car but that's installed on a base .2 I believe. The guy who has them done is extremely satisfied.
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Old 06-18-2018, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LavaGTS View Post
How does one manage torque in a GT2RS?
Clearly above my pay grade, never drove one and probably never will!
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Old 06-19-2018, 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 991carreradriver View Post
I am sure that the GTS is more than capable and in fact in certain tests is faster 0-60 than the GT3, however there are not many GT3 drivers that care much about 0-60 times. What you will never experience is managing the torque that the GT3 creates in the 6k-9k range. It's is very similar to that of the 3.4L 991's talk about, they live above 6k rpm and love it to death. I know, I owned 2 of them. In the end, it does not matter. All that matters is that the car you acquire meets your needs, expectation and leaves you feeling very happy to drive it.
One can equally point out that one will never experience 550Nm/405 ft lb of torque and equally those owners may enjoy that experience. The point is people enjoy what moves them and buy accordingly.

Keep in mind the GTS makes more power than the GT3 over nearly 6000 RPM whereas the GT3 makes more power than the GTS only over 2000 RPM. That is why the GTS is so potent and thats why in a sprint scenario the car with the better driver will come out on top (as I pointed out previously).

"All that matters is that the car you acquire meets your needs, expectation and leaves you feeling very happy to drive it" - agreed .

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Old 06-19-2018, 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by groundhog View Post
One can equally point out that one will never experience 550Nm/405 ft lb of torque and equally those owners may enjoy that experience. The point is people enjoy what moves them and buy accordingly.
Well Iíve driven the Z06 so Iíve experienced 650 ft lb... same same just what moves you.
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Old 06-19-2018, 03:21 AM
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Well Iíve driven the Z06 so Iíve experienced 650 ft lb... same same just what moves you.
Agreed
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Old 06-23-2018, 12:39 PM
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On track the GTS brakes absolutely do not cut it...biggest hindrance for this car on track.
My rears only lasted four track days.
Has anyone found a good solution? Would Pagids maybe extend this?
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My rears only lasted four track days.
Has anyone found a good solution? Would Pagids maybe extend this?
PCCB?
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Old 06-23-2018, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by lockie View Post
My rears only lasted four track days.
Has anyone found a good solution? Would Pagids maybe extend this?
Several Options. Contact Racing Brake. See here for some details:

https://rennlist.com/forums/991/9128...l#post12949219

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Old 06-24-2018, 02:24 AM
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Perfect,
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Originally Posted by 911-TOUR View Post
Several Options. Contact Racing Brake. See here for some details:

https://rennlist.com/forums/991/9128...l#post12949219

cheers!
This looks good, But I love the Brembo Type III rotors. I may hold off until Brembo have something for the GTS.
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Old 06-24-2018, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by groundhog View Post
Anyone who has ever put down times knows the main the differences that really matter are the level of driver experience and skill. Going to a few DE days does not suddenly turn a beginner in a GT3 into Lars Kern or Nick Tandy. A good club driver in a Cayman S will put many, many seconds on a guy in a GTS/GT3 who has limited or DE type experience.

The OP wants to know the most important modifications - there is one answer and one modification needed and that is the driver.
The vast majority of HPDE instructors, 90% plus range, are barely capable of 9/10s on a consistent basis around a given track. Those with the track experience and car control skills to really run at or close to the limits have long since graduated to the real deal and rarely have time or dedicate their budget and weekends to HPDEs.

Both the students and the instructors claiming 10/10s are generally barely capable of 8/10s at HPDEs on a consistent basis. Without a doubt, the capability of cars at this level vastly exceed 99.9% of those taking them HPDEs. Mod as you as like. Won't hurt anything, but perhaps wise to stay away from R compounds, especially Hoosiers, until you have at least 20+ track days and have sufficient car control skills to throttle steer, trail brake when necessary and induce and correct both over steer and under steer (skid pad work is great here) so one has the feel and sensation of a car at it limits just before tire traction is broken or rotation is induced. Street tires telegraph rotation long before it actually happens so the aforementioned car control skills are best learned on street tires and one may lose the ability to develop those on R or racing slicks.

Candidly, to really learn true car control skills quickly . . . go to a driving school with and a skid pad and then perhaps 30 to 50+ track days in a low hp, light weight momentum car and one will begin to appreciate the dynamics of true car control that they will likely never achieve in a car with limits such as these. That is not to say you cannot have a super, big time at HPDEs. You can and will, but making your car better and faster at the track may actually blunt your progression. One needs a car that is lsower and everything happens slower in to really learn how to drive on a race track.
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Old 06-24-2018, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 4 Point 0 View Post
This looks good, But I love the Brembo Type III rotors. I may hold off until Brembo have something for the GTS.
Thanks, I have looked at the Brembo type 111 rotors and it appears they are available for the 991 on the GMG Web site. Why would they be different for the GTS.
I bought this car to also be able to enjoy the track with a nice daily driver and on the track the GTS rear brakes absolutely do not cut it.... The torque vectoring really eats up the pads.Car was amazing on the track but only got 4 days on the rears....
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