Will I love a T
04-07-2018, 10:56 PM
#17
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Spyerx,
If you want to, or ever find yourself, in Portland, OR... Let me know. I’ve got a GT silver 911T with LWBS you can have a spin in. No RAS. Pretty clean spec, but some cosmetic stuff. More details here.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1058...911t-club.html
(Sorry for the off topics)
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04-07-2018, 11:39 PM
#18
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Thread Starter
Spyerx,
If you want to, or ever find yourself, in Portland, OR... Let me know. I’ve got a GT silver 911T with LWBS you can have a spin in. No RAS. Pretty clean spec, but some cosmetic stuff. More details here.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1058...911t-club.html
If you want to, or ever find yourself, in Portland, OR... Let me know. I’ve got a GT silver 911T with LWBS you can have a spin in. No RAS. Pretty clean spec, but some cosmetic stuff. More details here.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1058...911t-club.html
chris - i thought about this when they announced the car
problem with the T is that they saddled it with the weakest brakes in the range... and then is not materially lighter than a regular 991.2 carrera/s
the way we drive on track the stock brakes need to be upgraded immediately or the car will melt
then, to me, the fun of tracking a stick shift car is to have to have the skill/coordination to be in the right part of the rev band at the right time... T as turbo car, chipped, whatever, full torque off idle... why bother? just get a flappy paddle car then
i think the whole idea of the T is just marketing jibberish... not much substance
problem with the T is that they saddled it with the weakest brakes in the range... and then is not materially lighter than a regular 991.2 carrera/s
the way we drive on track the stock brakes need to be upgraded immediately or the car will melt
then, to me, the fun of tracking a stick shift car is to have to have the skill/coordination to be in the right part of the rev band at the right time... T as turbo car, chipped, whatever, full torque off idle... why bother? just get a flappy paddle car then
i think the whole idea of the T is just marketing jibberish... not much substance
However, Problem: Met up with Martin today and took his 991.2 GT3 manual for a spin down santiago canyon. Bastard. GOOD car. Substantially better chassis calibration than the 991.1, way better feel, way better steering feedback, and the motor, vroom vroom. The shifter and clutch, very nice, like a GT4. Downside: pulls like a freight train but without the drama and manic rush of a mezger. :-(
I'm so confused.
04-08-2018, 12:19 AM
#19
Three Wheelin'
I was unsure like you. Tried to get the .2GT3, no luck. Then rethinking what I want to do. I’m tracking less these days.
The 6-3 is great on the track but hard around town. Feels great for first 15 minutes but then all the broken concrete, pot holes and sharp transition along seem, it’s a hard ride. Can’t really stretch its legs either as I’m near downtown Houston. Takes me 45 minutes to get to decent roads.
Although the 6-3 is great, im ready for something else and something I want to enjoy more. I think the T will be a great car to take anywhere at anytime, a good all rounder. On the track, may not win but there is no price money in DE. The T will be a lot cheaper to operate than a GT3. Don’t need 2-3 people to change wheels either. I considered the S and GTS, but price is high and does not have the good driver option like the T as I Really wanted the LWB. Yes, it won’t be a .2GT3 but still a good and special car. As a bonus, Porsche may have made less of the T than the .2GT3.
Also considered .1GT3 but hard to find one with LWB and steel brakes and decided against.
The 6-3 is great on the track but hard around town. Feels great for first 15 minutes but then all the broken concrete, pot holes and sharp transition along seem, it’s a hard ride. Can’t really stretch its legs either as I’m near downtown Houston. Takes me 45 minutes to get to decent roads.
Although the 6-3 is great, im ready for something else and something I want to enjoy more. I think the T will be a great car to take anywhere at anytime, a good all rounder. On the track, may not win but there is no price money in DE. The T will be a lot cheaper to operate than a GT3. Don’t need 2-3 people to change wheels either. I considered the S and GTS, but price is high and does not have the good driver option like the T as I Really wanted the LWB. Yes, it won’t be a .2GT3 but still a good and special car. As a bonus, Porsche may have made less of the T than the .2GT3.
Also considered .1GT3 but hard to find one with LWB and steel brakes and decided against.
04-08-2018, 02:12 AM
#20
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Why not a used base 991.1 C2?
04-08-2018, 08:31 AM
#21
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I think a used C2 is a really really good option for the following reasons. 1. It's a fantastic car 2. That would be significantly cheaper leaving lots of budget for modification . 3. The allocation situation is terrible right now so you can actually get one.
Having said that, im not a motoring journalist and I never drove a c2 base and 911T manual back to back. However i did drive a gts and c2 base (both pdk) back to back on relatively short 15 minute drives. The elevated chassis and steering feel on the gts becomes immediately apparent once you step into a c2. The base handling seems less "capable" by comparison and it seems like you have to work much harder to place the car, constantly fighting the rear engine weight. I wouldnt decribe it as understeer, but more like noticeably extra effort. On the other hand, the c2 felt more eager, more zippy, and more planted. It has a much better pedal feel and honestly is more engaging than the bigger turbo setup, its instantaneous by comparison. Fantastic engine.
In the total 911 article where they did drive a c2 and 911T back to back they did note that the T is more focused and had some of that gts magic sauce, which i think has to do with how they ecu map the car and the chassis. The real question is, is it worth 30k over a used c2 base? It depends on too many things to say in 1 post. But i would imagine being able to spec the base engine with the gts chassis (minus pdcc) is going to fantastic for both road and track.
Having said that, im not a motoring journalist and I never drove a c2 base and 911T manual back to back. However i did drive a gts and c2 base (both pdk) back to back on relatively short 15 minute drives. The elevated chassis and steering feel on the gts becomes immediately apparent once you step into a c2. The base handling seems less "capable" by comparison and it seems like you have to work much harder to place the car, constantly fighting the rear engine weight. I wouldnt decribe it as understeer, but more like noticeably extra effort. On the other hand, the c2 felt more eager, more zippy, and more planted. It has a much better pedal feel and honestly is more engaging than the bigger turbo setup, its instantaneous by comparison. Fantastic engine.
In the total 911 article where they did drive a c2 and 911T back to back they did note that the T is more focused and had some of that gts magic sauce, which i think has to do with how they ecu map the car and the chassis. The real question is, is it worth 30k over a used c2 base? It depends on too many things to say in 1 post. But i would imagine being able to spec the base engine with the gts chassis (minus pdcc) is going to fantastic for both road and track.
04-08-2018, 01:16 PM
#22
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04-08-2018, 01:52 PM
#23
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Valid points. I'm going to see if i can get over to the experience center this week and just try one, a base or even s manual. I went over to my local dealer and they only got a couple allocations for the T and they are gone, and no manual sports cars on the lot. a lotta macans tho!
However, Problem: Met up with Martin today and took his 991.2 GT3 manual for a spin down santiago canyon. Bastard. GOOD car. Substantially better chassis calibration than the 991.1, way better feel, way better steering feedback, and the motor, vroom vroom. The shifter and clutch, very nice, like a GT4. Downside: pulls like a freight train but without the drama and manic rush of a mezger. :-(
I'm so confused.
However, Problem: Met up with Martin today and took his 991.2 GT3 manual for a spin down santiago canyon. Bastard. GOOD car. Substantially better chassis calibration than the 991.1, way better feel, way better steering feedback, and the motor, vroom vroom. The shifter and clutch, very nice, like a GT4. Downside: pulls like a freight train but without the drama and manic rush of a mezger. :-(
I'm so confused.
And of course, this new engine PULLS in the midrange, unlike the .1 3.8 9A motor. I think the current .1 to .2 change in engine is highly analogous to the Mezger 3.6 to 3.8 change from 997.1 to 997.2 GT3 in 2009. Early motor is definitely a touch spinnier and all the action is in top third of rev band, new motor pulls noticeably harder in midband. We know this is the end of the NA run on these cars, but Andi P and his crew are going out with bang, that is for sure. We will look back on these cars as the crowning glory of the era.
Regarding the engine character difference Mzgr vs GT 9A1... dunno how much time you had in Martin's car with the engine really up top... I would describe the Mezger character as there is a pissed off male lion in the back at full roar and ready to eat prey... the 9A1 is more a manic chainsaw about lose its chain and kill everybody in sight... more metallic and high pitched!! Both are magical but character is quite different.
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04-09-2018, 05:38 PM
#24
Very familiar with the configurator. I suppose it depends on how much you want to tart up your T. To me the idea of the T is simplicity.
My S configuration for a basic track weapon comes to $114,310. http://www.porsche-code.com/PJCN7G82
The closest similar build in a T comes to $105,560 http://www.porsche-code.com/PJWAFX51
The difference is $8,750 which is a small delta for a car that would destroy T in any track situation. Don't get me wrong, I like the T and I applaud Porsche for creating it. When it gets into S money, I'd rather have the power and better brakes than leather, stitching, or a sunroof.
My S configuration for a basic track weapon comes to $114,310. http://www.porsche-code.com/PJCN7G82
The closest similar build in a T comes to $105,560 http://www.porsche-code.com/PJWAFX51
The difference is $8,750 which is a small delta for a car that would destroy T in any track situation. Don't get me wrong, I like the T and I applaud Porsche for creating it. When it gets into S money, I'd rather have the power and better brakes than leather, stitching, or a sunroof.
04-09-2018, 07:22 PM
#25
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Very familiar with the configurator. I suppose it depends on how much you want to tart up your T. To me the idea of the T is simplicity.
My S configuration for a basic track weapon comes to $114,310. http://www.porsche-code.com/PJCN7G82
The closest similar build in a T comes to $105,560 http://www.porsche-code.com/PJWAFX51
The difference is $8,750 which is a small delta for a car that would destroy T in any track situation. Don't get me wrong, I like the T and I applaud Porsche for creating it. When it gets into S money, I'd rather have the power and better brakes than leather, stitching, or a sunroof.
My S configuration for a basic track weapon comes to $114,310. http://www.porsche-code.com/PJCN7G82
The closest similar build in a T comes to $105,560 http://www.porsche-code.com/PJWAFX51
The difference is $8,750 which is a small delta for a car that would destroy T in any track situation. Don't get me wrong, I like the T and I applaud Porsche for creating it. When it gets into S money, I'd rather have the power and better brakes than leather, stitching, or a sunroof.
04-09-2018, 08:44 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by go.illini
Very familiar with the configurator. I suppose it depends on how much you want to tart up your T. To me the idea of the T is simplicity.
My S configuration for a basic track weapon comes to $114,310. http://www.porsche-code.com/PJCN7G82
The closest similar build in a T comes to $105,560 http://www.porsche-code.com/PJWAFX51
The difference is $8,750 which is a small delta for a car that would destroy T in any track situation. Don't get me wrong, I like the T and I applaud Porsche for creating it. When it gets into S money, I'd rather have the power and better brakes than leather, stitching, or a sunroof.
My S configuration for a basic track weapon comes to $114,310. http://www.porsche-code.com/PJCN7G82
The closest similar build in a T comes to $105,560 http://www.porsche-code.com/PJWAFX51
The difference is $8,750 which is a small delta for a car that would destroy T in any track situation. Don't get me wrong, I like the T and I applaud Porsche for creating it. When it gets into S money, I'd rather have the power and better brakes than leather, stitching, or a sunroof.
04-09-2018, 09:18 PM
#27
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Ill play devils advocate: One can tune a T to "destroy" an S for much less than $8000. Or spend less than 8000 to become a better driver.
04-09-2018, 10:36 PM
#28
Three Wheelin'
The T and S have same motor and turbos, only a tuning difference to get same power. Regarding brakes, S is 6 piston vs 4 piston, but that difference in performance is more about driver than the brakes.
I will install harness bar and 6 point seatbelt in my T to be safer on track. Can’t do that in an S without buying aftermarket seats.
I will install harness bar and 6 point seatbelt in my T to be safer on track. Can’t do that in an S without buying aftermarket seats.
04-09-2018, 11:03 PM
#29
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Valid points. S has bigger turbos i think.
04-10-2018, 01:36 AM
#30
Burning Brakes
I'm on this simplify kick lately. I have this itch to get a car to drive mostly to and at the track. I have a GT3RS that I drive on track, I have a 964 build that is track oriented. But, those 2 cars are really more tow to the track and drive, load trailer, spare tires, gear, etc. I'm so busy lately I just want to wake up at 5am, hop in car, drive to track, do some laps, come home. Simplify.
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