991carreradriver

After reading the history of the the 996 in current issue of Panomera, I could not help but think of the potential parallel between the 991.2/992 model and the 996. We all know that the industry is going to be dominated by FI and Electric power. In 5 years, possibly there will be only combined E car's and FI. Will the 991.2/992 be treated as unfairly as the 996?

I have no dog in this hunt (don't intend to) and am too long of tooth to worry about ever driving or tracking anything but a NA, but the similarities seemed to be overwhelming to me.

Would really like to hear how current owners, collectors and life long enthusiast's view this scenario.

Churchill

The big difference between the 996 and the 991 is the 996 is really not a good looking car, plus its engine grenades with zero notice. Plus the interior is absolutely hideous. None of this is true of the 991.2, even if it does have a silly turbocharged engine.

Bxstr

I don't think so, the 992 is a car that most people on here with a 991 will be wanting to upgrade to at least eventually. The argument can be made about going from the 997 to the 991, they added in auto start stop, electric steering, sound symphonizer, made it bigger (I understand not by much). When they went to the 991.2, people thought that it wouldnt be the same, yet most people that drive them want one. We all have our favorites in the lineup, for us enthusiasts some may like the 997 better than the 991, others might like the 991.1 better than the 991.2, but I can tell you that most people will still upgrade and will be plenty happy with their decision as well as justifying it on here about why the 992 is the greatest thing ever and how terrible and outdated the 991.2 or 991.1 is.

I don't have any fight in this either considering I bought a 997.2 over a 991.1 because for my purposes (not financial) it was a better choice. But I can definitely see how the newer cars are better. Where better is defined as being quicker, braking better, handling better and more comfortable.

stout

Fraught comparison with 991 in either guise.

Main complaints with 996 were:

• Styling and too-obvious ties to $39,980 Boxster
• Cheap-looking interior materials/obvious cost-cutting
• Engine reliability questions
• Water-cooled sacrilege/993 nostalgia

Main complaints with 991 are:

• A bit too big (both versions)
• Turbocharged good or bad? (991.2)

Main complaint with 992 will be:

• We'll see

Dude174

Seriously doubt it, the 996 was ugly and looked like a boxster in the front. The .2 looks like the .1 except for taillights and it's only "sin" is being turbocharged - which makes it drive better than .1

JEllis

I am not sure about the 991.2 and 996 comparison. I do think there is a chance that, in the future, the 991.1 will be regarded as a special car. Being the last NA Carrera.

koala

It's not a fair comparison at all. The 992 is going to have to look way worse than even the leaked photos suggest it'll look.

When you observe the way Porsche operates as a company today, and really for the past 10+ years, they have it down to a pretty good formula. We could argue enthusiasts are being left out on a lot of what we 'want' - but you can't argue sales results.

erko1905

+1

Penn4S

First let me say as a 2 time 996TT owner that they were great cars. The engines did not implode on a whim, less than 1% had RMS issues. At that time they were the quickest Porsche 911 ever produced. Had 2 with 0 problems. Some design flaws but solid cars.
The 991.2 is only an inconsequential car to those that don't prefer or understand Turbo cars otherwise a great car and the fastest version of the 911 to date. I think it will have a place that marks another change in Porsche 911 history.

PJ Cayenne

I've a friend who has owned 996 C4S for 16 years. He's had no trouble with it, and finally lost his nerve and did the IMS bearing last summer. He has the original brakes and clutch. It looks terrific, minimum wear all around, but he complains he can't keep up with my 991.2 C2. No one has ever made fun of the interior or the headlight configuration, but admittedly it does look dated now.
As far as the 991.2, 20 years from now, it will be known as the faster more refined 991 that was made in fewer numbers than the .1.

STG

Classics are never defined by how fast they are.

That being said, the 991.1/.2 will most likely never be in a 993 league.

If anyone can predict future values, please share the wisdom ....

PJ Cayenne

Agreed, not claiming classic status or 993 league for any 991. However, there will be distinctions between the .1 and .2 and both will be desirable in a couple of decades. No value predictions from me.

STG

I'm not sure the next generation will even care about these cars or even put a value on them.

The guys thar get all excited about them now will either be too old to drive them or not around to worry about it.

Same goes with the sneaker craze, and any nostalgic retro stuff that is the latest rage.

Cars are a money pit and an expensive hobby and luxury. The smart guys that like money and like to make more of it, don't waste it on cars.

PJ Cayenne

They certainly won't know how to use the manual transmission. Porsche has had a 70 year following, good chance it's got some running room left.

STG

With what Porsche has planned for the next 10++ years, I'm not getting excited. The company is changing quickly. They will all be disposable cars in the future, and outdated as quick as the next iPhone. Porsche is gambling the whole stack of chips on electric. How that bet turns out will be interesting. I think they will struggle.

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