Setting the record straight - the 911 T is a gift from Porsche
03-17-2018, 12:58 PM
#31
03-17-2018, 01:03 PM
#32
Drifting
I agree too, but I still find something intoxicating about the GT3! 
03-17-2018, 01:45 PM
#33
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As far as the weight issue, we are talking a few gallons of gas, take out your your floor mats and owners manual, lose 10 pounds and you'll be right there with the T's weight. For those that need RAS, PCCB and the other goodies the T offers, it is a fantastic package, but it all starts with the amazing capability of the base car.
03-17-2018, 01:53 PM
#34
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03-17-2018, 02:12 PM
#35
Addict
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I have the base C2. Other than a slight interest in RWS, I can't really see the appeal of the T for myself. I don't want cloth seats and I ordered my car with the same 20" wheels. I see virtually no future enhanced market value for a used T over the base model. It's very clever marketing by Porsche, kudos to them. At least it's a step away from their "Indy Pace Car Editions" of recent years like the ridiculous Endurance edition or whatever they called it. Or the special editions offered in the U.K. to honor 3 classic 917 liveries.
03-17-2018, 03:00 PM
#36
Re: the mid engine platform with 500 horse.. some work on the 981 Spyder/GT4 and you're approaching that territory.
I wouldn't mind having a 911 to go along with the Spyder, but I don't think it would be a T.
I wouldn't mind having a 911 to go along with the Spyder, but I don't think it would be a T.
03-17-2018, 03:15 PM
#37
Your helmet may be a little too tight. It’s cutting off reasoning. I am a 13 time Pcar owner so few have more love for the brand or the cars. Do I think Porsche listens, yes, but only when it works for them as a company. Is the T a gift? Sounds like a nice car that could have been a little better instead of just another marketing 911 variation.
If they want to gift us, a mid engine platform with 500hp NA or Turbo, that they are capable of doing, would be greatly appreciated. Will I continue to buy only these cars, absolutely, but I’m not expecting gifts I just want to be surprised and delighted occasionally.
If they want to gift us, a mid engine platform with 500hp NA or Turbo, that they are capable of doing, would be greatly appreciated. Will I continue to buy only these cars, absolutely, but I’m not expecting gifts I just want to be surprised and delighted occasionally.
03-17-2018, 03:22 PM
#38
Pro
T is the right car for my daily driving needs. Now I need to get one. It is high enough to handle all bumps and potholes in my area and fast enough. I was on the fence, but with more research, this car is perfect for what from all stand points.
03-17-2018, 03:24 PM
#39
Drifting
Welcome to the T Club!
03-17-2018, 04:54 PM
#42
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Back in December, when I started thinking about replacing my Macan GTS with a 911, there were a couple of things I really wanted. One of them was a 911 that would be a little bit more "special". In many cases that would mean a "GT" car, but I was also considering, for example, the 50th Anniversary 911. But then there was the second thing: I wanted a daily driver. So, in a way, both of these 'wants' were almost at odds with each other. If you use a special car as a daily driver you could be seriously affecting its value with a higher mileage, hence the apparent contradiction. And then I found the "T". It was a unique model, even if you want to call it just for marketing purposes, but it has it's own name. It's not like a version of an existing model (endurance version, black edition, etc.) but a real differentiated model, that most likely you won't see one every day, or week, or month, if that.
Now, on top of that, it allowed me to get the features I really wanted, like Sports Chrono, Sports Exhaust, SPASM and Rear Axle Steering, Sports Mirrors, etc., at a price that was very competitive vs an S with the exact same features. And with a unique interior on top of that.
For me, all of those things put together made the T a very compelling value proposition that matched what I wanted.... to a T (pun intended).
Now, on top of that, it allowed me to get the features I really wanted, like Sports Chrono, Sports Exhaust, SPASM and Rear Axle Steering, Sports Mirrors, etc., at a price that was very competitive vs an S with the exact same features. And with a unique interior on top of that.
For me, all of those things put together made the T a very compelling value proposition that matched what I wanted.... to a T (pun intended).
03-17-2018, 04:56 PM
#43
Drifting
Couldn't have put it better myself! 
03-17-2018, 05:13 PM
#44
Rennlist Member
Porshe did exceptionally well with the T (aside from the stupid name, which should have been something like Clubsport, Lightweight or RS America) I think the only thing I would have changed was to add S brakes and a bit more HP than the base, just to differentiate. No way does it (or any other car) need 450hp. Would I like a 3.8 NA car better than a turbo? Yes, although I'd buy it either way.
Where am I coming from? I raced motorcycles nationally ranging from state-of-the-art RS125 Honda 2 strokes which were the best handling, lightest platform with a very high HP to weight ratio (43HP vs 160lbs) to 1,000cc "superbikes" and also AHRMA vintage racing 60's era 500cc and 750cc Grand Prix bikes. I've seen the advantages and disadvantages of weight, horsepower and technology. In the motorcycle world, racing a little 125 at 100% means you are at 13,000 RPM's, trail braking into every corner and riding on the ragged edge . The only time you can rest is on the front straightaway at 160MPH (as silly as that sounds, it's true). There is a level of purity in the fact that if you're not 100% perfect in every way you're likely off the track faster than your brain can even adjust.
Give me a car that has a great chassis, a motor that you want to exploit, and enough of the right options (and none of the extras) to distill the experience while keeping the price "reasonable" and enough "usability" to justify the expense, and I'm good. I can't imagine spending what a GT-3 T costs and this car gives me 98% of the experience.
Where am I coming from? I raced motorcycles nationally ranging from state-of-the-art RS125 Honda 2 strokes which were the best handling, lightest platform with a very high HP to weight ratio (43HP vs 160lbs) to 1,000cc "superbikes" and also AHRMA vintage racing 60's era 500cc and 750cc Grand Prix bikes. I've seen the advantages and disadvantages of weight, horsepower and technology. In the motorcycle world, racing a little 125 at 100% means you are at 13,000 RPM's, trail braking into every corner and riding on the ragged edge . The only time you can rest is on the front straightaway at 160MPH (as silly as that sounds, it's true). There is a level of purity in the fact that if you're not 100% perfect in every way you're likely off the track faster than your brain can even adjust.
Give me a car that has a great chassis, a motor that you want to exploit, and enough of the right options (and none of the extras) to distill the experience while keeping the price "reasonable" and enough "usability" to justify the expense, and I'm good. I can't imagine spending what a GT-3 T costs and this car gives me 98% of the experience.
03-17-2018, 05:27 PM
#45
Drifting
Well said, Jordan. Care to share your Carrera T spec?