Help with the 991.2 build - brakes
02-19-2018, 09:47 PM
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Help with the 991.2 build - brakes
Hi all, need some input on brakes for my 991.2 C4GTS.
Standard (red) calipers with red seatbelts, or
Ceramic (yellow) calipers with yellow seatbelts.
Are the ceramic brakes worth the price/option? Does this matter in resale value?
TIA
Standard (red) calipers with red seatbelts, or
Ceramic (yellow) calipers with yellow seatbelts.
Are the ceramic brakes worth the price/option? Does this matter in resale value?
TIA
02-19-2018, 10:33 PM
#2
I like my ceramic brakes. Got black seatbelts though - so I'm not color coordinated.
02-19-2018, 10:53 PM
#3
I like my PCCB brakes. I like the feel, I like the look, and I love the way they keep my wheels clean. What I do not like is small rocks getting trapped between the caliper and the wheel, causing scoring damage to both, because of limited clearance between the two. It took a $6,500 set of Forgeline wheels with more clearance to solve the problem. So my PCCB brakes cost me $15,000 when the cost of the wheels are factored in. Would I do it again? Don’t know, but if I did I’d factor in a set of aftermarket wheels. If scoring of the calipers and wheels doesn’t bother you, go for it. If it does and you still want PCCB’s, then budget a new set of wheels to be installed at delivery. I have a GTS with centerlocks. Don’t know if that makes a difference. Was not a problem with the 991.1’s because they have smaller diameter rotors. The 410mm rotors on the .2’s is where the problem lies.
Last edited by flickroll; 02-19-2018 at 11:10 PM.
02-19-2018, 11:31 PM
#6
If you can hire someone for <$8500 to keep your wheels clean, for however long you plan to keep the car, then get the standard GTS brakes. If you don't mind your calipers & wheel barrels getting chewed up by rocks, then get the PCCB's. YMMV.
02-20-2018, 01:51 AM
#7
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If you plan to track the car, consider PCCB (and maybe converting to iron rotors)
If you like a firm, responsive brake pedal, consider PCCB.
If you like clean wheels, consider PCCB.
If you like tech and/or mechanical art, consider PCCB.
If you can live with the interior of a wheel scored by a pebble lodged against the caliper—or are willing to do aftermarket wheels—consider PCCB.
I ordered them, and after the manual gearbox, they are my favorite option on the car. So far, only my right front wheel has been scored, and I didn't notice it until I was washing the car. Don't love that, but it wouldn't stop me from spec'ing PCCB again.
If you like a firm, responsive brake pedal, consider PCCB.
If you like clean wheels, consider PCCB.
If you like tech and/or mechanical art, consider PCCB.
If you can live with the interior of a wheel scored by a pebble lodged against the caliper—or are willing to do aftermarket wheels—consider PCCB.
I ordered them, and after the manual gearbox, they are my favorite option on the car. So far, only my right front wheel has been scored, and I didn't notice it until I was washing the car. Don't love that, but it wouldn't stop me from spec'ing PCCB again.
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02-20-2018, 08:44 AM
#8
If you have the money go for it.
I personally cannot justify the 9K for the PCCBs. In any case I do not believe that I will push the car in the limit that normal brakes will fade.
Regarding the brake dust please make sure after you pickup the car you perform a nano coating in the calipers, wheels interior and exterior and you will be impressed how easy they will clear.
Nano coating last for 2-3 years with cost for wheels not more than 200 USD.
I personally cannot justify the 9K for the PCCBs. In any case I do not believe that I will push the car in the limit that normal brakes will fade.
Regarding the brake dust please make sure after you pickup the car you perform a nano coating in the calipers, wheels interior and exterior and you will be impressed how easy they will clear.
Nano coating last for 2-3 years with cost for wheels not more than 200 USD.
02-20-2018, 09:15 AM
#9
Race Car
I had two previous 991.1S's before I ordered my incoming 991.2GTS, one with steel (red) brakes and one with PCCBs. I went back and forth quite a bit as to whether to add them to the build on my GTS, trying to keep costs down, but in the end I wound up ordering them on the new car. I do not intend to track my car but I will autocross it.
Pros:
- I like the brake feel, some may think them to be a little "grabbier" but I like them
- They look amazing, the rotors are so large, they really fill up the wheel, make the car feel a little more special to me
- No brake dust. Zero. My wheels were NEVER dirty. Especially important with the black centerlocks I am getting on my incoming GTS.
- Lower unsprung weight
- Longevity
Cons:
- Not ideal for DEs or any significant time on the track due to cost
- Very expensive, risk of chipping a rotor would be costly
- Braking performance essentially the same as steels in all the comparison tests I have read (same stopping distance)
I didn't have the problem of my wheels getting scored as other folks have with my last PCCBs (although it is important to note that the rotors on the PCCBs on the 991.1S were slighly smaller than the PCCBs offered with the 991.2S or GTS). It's a risk I'm willing to take. One more comment (and YMMV) - my steels squeaked after hard use. My PCCBs never squeaked, not once.
Pros:
- I like the brake feel, some may think them to be a little "grabbier" but I like them
- They look amazing, the rotors are so large, they really fill up the wheel, make the car feel a little more special to me
- No brake dust. Zero. My wheels were NEVER dirty. Especially important with the black centerlocks I am getting on my incoming GTS.
- Lower unsprung weight
- Longevity
Cons:
- Not ideal for DEs or any significant time on the track due to cost
- Very expensive, risk of chipping a rotor would be costly
- Braking performance essentially the same as steels in all the comparison tests I have read (same stopping distance)
I didn't have the problem of my wheels getting scored as other folks have with my last PCCBs (although it is important to note that the rotors on the PCCBs on the 991.1S were slighly smaller than the PCCBs offered with the 991.2S or GTS). It's a risk I'm willing to take. One more comment (and YMMV) - my steels squeaked after hard use. My PCCBs never squeaked, not once.
02-21-2018, 09:59 PM
#13
if you like PCCBs but want red, powder coat em!
02-22-2018, 08:51 AM
#15
Race Car
BTW, on my 991 with PCCBs, I had yellow seatbelts and gauges and received a ton of positive comments on them. I went with GT silver deviated stitching on black leather and GT silver seatbelts this time (with PCCBs) because I specc'ed Sapphire Blue with painted interior trim - I didn't think yellow guages/belts would go with that. (My previous 991 was black with black leather and CF trim interior - the yellow really added a splash of color to an all black interior.