2018 GTS vs 2018 GT3 road course who wins?
#16
I just wanted you guys to convince me either way...still back to square one in my mind. I love hearing that GT3 motor roar too. But that's all it has over on the rest of the Turbo line Porsche offers. Maybe it's enough.
#17
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With the GT3, it's enough. "Did you say there's a difference between the way a 991.1 and 991.2 Carrera sounds? WHAT? Are you even talking? I can't hear you…"
#18
Who cares honestly, are you going to be tracking it competitively? Then maybe a small care.
I’ll put my money on a GT3 especially if endurance comes into play, but that’s not even what a GT3 is all about.
Fun to drive, aural sensation, added curb appeal and exotic factor, more enthusiast respect commanded, more visceral sense-of-occasion experience? GT3.
Soon to be discontinued motor, the best of a last of a revered kind (if rumors are correct of turbo 992 GT3’s), instant classic, may not even depreciate and if so very little, plausible to be selling for more in 5 to 10+ years than it is today? GT3.
Unless being a cozy DD and slightly easier to navigate around traffic and mall parking lots scores that high on the gotta-have-it scale, to me it’s a no brainer. I’m too stubborn to pay ADM’s, but even with the ADM, I think the total cost of ownership (in terms of depreciation, not factoring in whatever maintenance differences) for the GT3 will be significantly less than the .2 GTS, which will depreciate at a normal rate (i.e doesn’t have that “grand finale/special thing” that 911 free markets tend to love).
Yes the initial investment will be higher. But it’ll be a better “stock” to hold, using that analogy. And it’ll be a more joyous experience (more for your money).
Again, to me, looking at it from any angle that matters to me, no brainer. But I put very little mileage on my 911, so it fits my lifestyle perfectly.
There’s my cents.
Considering out of everything, the sound my car (.1 C2) makes is probably where I place the highest enjoyment factor in regards to drive, I’d say for me; especially with a GT3.. It’s more than enough.
I’ll put my money on a GT3 especially if endurance comes into play, but that’s not even what a GT3 is all about.
Fun to drive, aural sensation, added curb appeal and exotic factor, more enthusiast respect commanded, more visceral sense-of-occasion experience? GT3.
Soon to be discontinued motor, the best of a last of a revered kind (if rumors are correct of turbo 992 GT3’s), instant classic, may not even depreciate and if so very little, plausible to be selling for more in 5 to 10+ years than it is today? GT3.
Unless being a cozy DD and slightly easier to navigate around traffic and mall parking lots scores that high on the gotta-have-it scale, to me it’s a no brainer. I’m too stubborn to pay ADM’s, but even with the ADM, I think the total cost of ownership (in terms of depreciation, not factoring in whatever maintenance differences) for the GT3 will be significantly less than the .2 GTS, which will depreciate at a normal rate (i.e doesn’t have that “grand finale/special thing” that 911 free markets tend to love).
Yes the initial investment will be higher. But it’ll be a better “stock” to hold, using that analogy. And it’ll be a more joyous experience (more for your money).
Again, to me, looking at it from any angle that matters to me, no brainer. But I put very little mileage on my 911, so it fits my lifestyle perfectly.
There’s my cents.
Considering out of everything, the sound my car (.1 C2) makes is probably where I place the highest enjoyment factor in regards to drive, I’d say for me; especially with a GT3.. It’s more than enough.
#19
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Who cares honestly, are you going to be tracking it competitively? Then maybe a small care.
I’ll put my money on a GT3 especially if endurance comes into play, but that’s not even what a GT3 is all about.
Fun to drive, aural sensation, added curb appeal and exotic factor, more enthusiast respect commanded, more visceral sense-of-occasion experience? GT3.
Soon to be discontinued motor, the best of a last of a revered kind (if rumors are correct of turbo 992 GT3’s), instant classic, may not even depreciate and if so very little, plausible to be selling for more in 5 to 10+ years than it is today? GT3.
Unless being a cozy DD and slightly easier to navigate around traffic and mall parking lots scores that high on the gotta-have-it scale, to be it’s a no brainer. I’m too stubborn to pay ADM’s, but even with the ADM, I think the total cost of ownership (in terms of depreciation, not factoring in whatever maintenance differences) for the GT3 will be significantly less than the .2 GTS, which will depreciate at a normal rate (i.e doesn’t have that “grand finale/special thing” that 911 free markets tend to love).
Yes the initial investment will be higher. But it’ll be a better “stock” to hold, using that analogy. And it’ll be a more joyous experience (more for your money).
Again, to me, looking at it from any angle that matters to me, no brainer. But I put very little mileage on my 911, so it fits my lifestyle perfectly.
There’s my cents.
I’ll put my money on a GT3 especially if endurance comes into play, but that’s not even what a GT3 is all about.
Fun to drive, aural sensation, added curb appeal and exotic factor, more enthusiast respect commanded, more visceral sense-of-occasion experience? GT3.
Soon to be discontinued motor, the best of a last of a revered kind (if rumors are correct of turbo 992 GT3’s), instant classic, may not even depreciate and if so very little, plausible to be selling for more in 5 to 10+ years than it is today? GT3.
Unless being a cozy DD and slightly easier to navigate around traffic and mall parking lots scores that high on the gotta-have-it scale, to be it’s a no brainer. I’m too stubborn to pay ADM’s, but even with the ADM, I think the total cost of ownership (in terms of depreciation, not factoring in whatever maintenance differences) for the GT3 will be significantly less than the .2 GTS, which will depreciate at a normal rate (i.e doesn’t have that “grand finale/special thing” that 911 free markets tend to love).
Yes the initial investment will be higher. But it’ll be a better “stock” to hold, using that analogy. And it’ll be a more joyous experience (more for your money).
Again, to me, looking at it from any angle that matters to me, no brainer. But I put very little mileage on my 911, so it fits my lifestyle perfectly.
There’s my cents.
#20
I do like the little back seats, but since they’re rarely used (I’m a big frunker) even that wouldn’t be sacrificing much to me with the GT3.
Porsche confused me with the Touring though. If they “went there” as they did, an option for back seats would’ve made sense. Maybe that was just too far into sacrilege land for the engineers. Plus, it’s not like Porsche can’t sell every one they make, so I figure they aren’t desperate to make the GT3 a volume play.
Porsche confused me with the Touring though. If they “went there” as they did, an option for back seats would’ve made sense. Maybe that was just too far into sacrilege land for the engineers. Plus, it’s not like Porsche can’t sell every one they make, so I figure they aren’t desperate to make the GT3 a volume play.
#21
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I do like the little back seats, but since they’re rarely used (I’m a big frunker) even that wouldn’t be sacrificing much to me with the GT3.
Porsche confused me with the Touring though. If they “went there” as they did, an option for back seats would’ve made sense. Maybe that was just too far into sacrilege land for the engineers. Plus, it’s not like Porsche can’t sell every one they make, so I figure they aren’t desperate to make the GT3 a volume play.
The engine alone is insanely, madly, ridiculously good. Hard. Sharp. Refined. Nasty. A masterpiece with only six cylinders. The chassis is as least as good.
But I have a daughter, so I guess I'll keep the house. For the right reasons, of course...
#22
I actually called dealers all over, when the .2GT3 got announced. Wanted to secure MSRP for a manual. I knew that I could drive that car “for free” for at least year, build up a priceless experience, and then decide what to do later (I’m sort of a juxtaposition of “very tactfully careful” and “jump in the deep end and let’s force ourself to adapt to make it work”). But most metaphorically or literally laughed at MSRP plausibility, and I just didn’t go further with it.
I will say, something like that would have my OCD meter pinging at maximum, I don’t know if I could handle it. That’s probably the only thing about my Carrera that I value over it. I’m crazy, but a little less crazy over it. A GT3 would have me in hyperdrive (literally and metaphorically) 24/7.
#23
SJW, a Carin' kinda guy
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Setting aside availability of the GT3 and GTS, the other things the GTS has going for it are options not available on a GT3 (like a sunroof and back seats and ventilated seats and something other than a black interior) and, perhaps equally significant, that you can get AWD, a cab, or a Targa.
The other point is that the cost spread goes up if you want manual (PDK costs $3730 on a GTS and there is another $700 in gas guzzler to $1700 on a 6MT GT3 so realisticly it is $20k difference before discounts/ADM).
The other point is that the cost spread goes up if you want manual (PDK costs $3730 on a GTS and there is another $700 in gas guzzler to $1700 on a 6MT GT3 so realisticly it is $20k difference before discounts/ADM).
#25
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Setting aside availability of the GT3 and GTS, the other things the GTS has going for it are options not available on a GT3 (like a sunroof and back seats and ventilated seats and something other than a black interior) and, perhaps equally significant, that you can get AWD, a cab, or a Targa.
The other point is that the cost spread goes up if you want manual (PDK costs $3730 on a GTS and there is another $700 in gas guzzler to $1700 on a 6MT GT3 so realisticly it is $20k difference before discounts/ADM).
The other point is that the cost spread goes up if you want manual (PDK costs $3730 on a GTS and there is another $700 in gas guzzler to $1700 on a 6MT GT3 so realisticly it is $20k difference before discounts/ADM).
#26
Race Director
Well I can tell you at Sebring the 2018 GT3 is faster. GTS with more torque can stay with and creep up on a 2018 GT3 coming out of a corner...but the GT3 with both cars on mpsc2 will be better through a series of corners.
This is being equal drivers...
This is being equal drivers...
#27
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Sebring ≠ to most tracks in the U.S. (or anywhere, for that matter). Such a unique beast. Suspect the GT3's aero has to be a big advantage there, and suspect the GT3's Weissach-Flacht pedigree will shine through as the laps pile one. Pretty interesting, nonetheless, to hear this when both cars on the same tires.
#28
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I race a cup car so ended up getting a PCCB/RWS/ Manual equipped GTS for myself. I enjoy it immensely. Compared to my 911R it's definitely more supple, and the 4.0 R engine is definitely raspier and more of a guitar solo but there is no arguing with the massive torque increase on highways.
I'd have to say that with equal tires it would be fun enough to play with the other car on track, although I generally enjoy trying to catch faster cars in a slower car...
I'd have to say that with equal tires it would be fun enough to play with the other car on track, although I generally enjoy trying to catch faster cars in a slower car...
#29
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#30
Honestly, they're both sooo close that with an average driver the difference would be minuscule. 10 seconds difference on the Nurburgring (13 miles) is so close that on a normal (i.e shorter track) that there wouldn't be a big difference between the two.