If you had 'designed' the Carrera T...
01-21-2018, 10:28 PM
#17
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Originally Posted by BlueNorther
Not possible. Aside from turning off PSM, always on for sport and sport +. Happy to be proven wrong, though.
Button would be easier.
01-22-2018, 06:25 PM
#18
My problem with the "T" is the same as the industry wide problem of creating a supposed "focused" sports car that yet also needs to somehow suit a wide range of driver preferences and demands. This was never really a problem until recently with the crossover vehicle craze when the " swiss army car" idea spread across every model offering and manufactures eager to make sales uphold this " the car needs to be good at everything and appeal to eveyone" mindset.
Just like that swiss army knife and CUV's for that matter, sorry Macan fans, they end up creating a product that technically will do every job but not necessarily excel at any one job with no sharp focus as to what it does best.
Which brings us to the "T" which was a car promised to bring back the pure joy of driving with a manual transmission and where less is more .... On and on the marketing goes...It's focus from what I gather, is getting back to basics .. In reality,and unfortunately, I believe it fell short when it was so close to the goal. I know the NA engine is never coming back but they could have easily produced a car that would have more squarely hit their marketing target without virtually any additional costs in development. I think wish list items like crank windows and manual mirrors would actually cost more because they would have to be developed by scratch.
Here's my 2 cents on what it could have been considering the constraints of regulations and development costs :
A 6 or 7 Speed manual as the ONLY offering to push the "basics" agenda ( before you flame / troll me, this was never an issue on previous GT2 /3s and virtually every 911 pre 964/ 993.
True shorter final drive gearing (if possible) .
A limited slip without PTV , if not possible than a standard open diff would suffice
Carrera S brakes as standard , PCCB as an option.
Deletion of auto rev matching ( or at the very least a set it and forget it item in the PCM).
Deletion of PASM and just a standard stiffer lower suspension without the complication of active dampers and having to choose modes.
Deletion of PSE and just a standard louder sport exhaust without the complication of valves and flaps and having to choose modes.
Deletion of the mode switch on the steering wheel and no " Sport " button on the console because "sport" should be standard on a focused sports car ( amazing demand right?).
Deletion of the rear seats as standard.
Option for body colored mirrors to go along with deletion of side "Carrera T" decals or at least change the mirror covers to black to avoid clashing with silver and other colored cars.
Option for silver or black painted wheels.
A small numbered plaque on the passenger side to add exclusivity.
An increase in the MSRP by 8k for all the above graciousness because no one will walk away from a car this good over 8k !
If Porsche would build me that exact car.... I would release the death grip I currently have on my NA 991 just for the chance to buy one last "simplified" brand new 911 before it all likely goes down the drain with the threat of cross brand platform sharing, that ghastly 992 interior and eventual hybrid power...
Just like that swiss army knife and CUV's for that matter, sorry Macan fans, they end up creating a product that technically will do every job but not necessarily excel at any one job with no sharp focus as to what it does best.
Which brings us to the "T" which was a car promised to bring back the pure joy of driving with a manual transmission and where less is more .... On and on the marketing goes...It's focus from what I gather, is getting back to basics .. In reality,and unfortunately, I believe it fell short when it was so close to the goal. I know the NA engine is never coming back but they could have easily produced a car that would have more squarely hit their marketing target without virtually any additional costs in development. I think wish list items like crank windows and manual mirrors would actually cost more because they would have to be developed by scratch.
Here's my 2 cents on what it could have been considering the constraints of regulations and development costs :
A 6 or 7 Speed manual as the ONLY offering to push the "basics" agenda ( before you flame / troll me, this was never an issue on previous GT2 /3s and virtually every 911 pre 964/ 993.
True shorter final drive gearing (if possible) .
A limited slip without PTV , if not possible than a standard open diff would suffice
Carrera S brakes as standard , PCCB as an option.
Deletion of auto rev matching ( or at the very least a set it and forget it item in the PCM).
Deletion of PASM and just a standard stiffer lower suspension without the complication of active dampers and having to choose modes.
Deletion of PSE and just a standard louder sport exhaust without the complication of valves and flaps and having to choose modes.
Deletion of the mode switch on the steering wheel and no " Sport " button on the console because "sport" should be standard on a focused sports car ( amazing demand right?).
Deletion of the rear seats as standard.
Option for body colored mirrors to go along with deletion of side "Carrera T" decals or at least change the mirror covers to black to avoid clashing with silver and other colored cars.
Option for silver or black painted wheels.
A small numbered plaque on the passenger side to add exclusivity.
An increase in the MSRP by 8k for all the above graciousness because no one will walk away from a car this good over 8k !
If Porsche would build me that exact car.... I would release the death grip I currently have on my NA 991 just for the chance to buy one last "simplified" brand new 911 before it all likely goes down the drain with the threat of cross brand platform sharing, that ghastly 992 interior and eventual hybrid power...
01-22-2018, 07:55 PM
#20
I don't fully see the comparison considering the GT3 has nearly all the equipment I'd want removed such as : auto rev matching, PASM , PSE . Also, the addition of two things I'm not a fan of including Rear wheel steering and center lock wheels.
IF I'm really allowed to dream here I would think the T could be set apart with at least the option for a fixed wing , maybe even with additional air inlets built in to help direct flow to the inter coolers similar to when the retractable wing is raised at low speed.
01-22-2018, 08:15 PM
#21
Wait... what? Are you saying it is not possible to disable auto-rev match? It is on all the time and cannot be bypassed or disabled? That can't be true. This is seriously a deal-breaker for me.
01-22-2018, 08:53 PM
#22
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Sapphire blue, NA motor, 6 speed manual, S brakes. I'm so glad it is none of these things or I would have to get one.
01-22-2018, 09:36 PM
#23
Pro
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
01-22-2018, 09:45 PM
#24
Maybe I don't understand how Porsche implements rev-match, but I want to be able to heel and toe to control my own rev match. That is one of the beautiful things about driving a manual. If I wanted the car to do it for me, why not just get a PDK. Every other implementation of auto-rev match that I am aware of has a simple defeat to disable to feature.
01-22-2018, 10:05 PM
#25
Pro
Wow, seriously disappointing. What if the car does not have the SC package? In the T configurator it says nothing about SC having rev-match.
Maybe I don't understand how Porsche implements rev-match, but I want to be able to heel and toe to control my own rev match. That is one of the beautiful things about driving a manual. If I wanted the car to do it for me, why not just get a PDK. Every other implementation of auto-rev match that I am aware of has a simple defeat to disable to feature.
Maybe I don't understand how Porsche implements rev-match, but I want to be able to heel and toe to control my own rev match. That is one of the beautiful things about driving a manual. If I wanted the car to do it for me, why not just get a PDK. Every other implementation of auto-rev match that I am aware of has a simple defeat to disable to feature.
This "feature" is built into the T package, the added chrono package just adds the clock and track app.
I wouldn't go so far as say "you might as well get a PDK", but still I do feel your pain.
01-22-2018, 11:59 PM
#26
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Maybe I am missing something: If you want to do heel-and-toe yourself, what is wrong with simply leaving the mode switch to Normal? It's not like the PDK where the gears are held up to redline and have faster shifts in S+. For all things, you could leave it in Normal, and manually select the suspension to be in Sport mode. Wouldn't that work? And for those not yet mastering the heel-and-toe, let them enjoy the rev matching with Sport mode. Or is there something else I am clearly missing here?
01-23-2018, 01:19 AM
#27
Wow, seriously disappointing. What if the car does not have the SC package? In the T configurator it says nothing about SC having rev-match.
Maybe I don't understand how Porsche implements rev-match, but I want to be able to heel and toe to control my own rev match. That is one of the beautiful things about driving a manual. If I wanted the car to do it for me, why not just get a PDK. Every other implementation of auto-rev match that I am aware of has a simple defeat to disable to feature.
Maybe I don't understand how Porsche implements rev-match, but I want to be able to heel and toe to control my own rev match. That is one of the beautiful things about driving a manual. If I wanted the car to do it for me, why not just get a PDK. Every other implementation of auto-rev match that I am aware of has a simple defeat to disable to feature.
Clearly I feel your pain and believe that Auto rev match for a manual transmission is one of the most absurd things I’ve ever seen....
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01-23-2018, 01:57 AM
#28
My problem with the "T" is the same as the industry wide problem of creating a supposed "focused" sports car that yet also needs to somehow suit a wide range of driver preferences and demands. This was never really a problem until recently with the crossover vehicle craze when the " swiss army car" idea spread across every model offering and manufactures eager to make sales uphold this " the car needs to be good at everything and appeal to eveyone" mindset.
Just like that swiss army knife and CUV's for that matter, sorry Macan fans, they end up creating a product that technically will do every job but not necessarily excel at any one job with no sharp focus as to what it does best.
Which brings us to the "T" which was a car promised to bring back the pure joy of driving with a manual transmission and where less is more .... On and on the marketing goes...It's focus from what I gather, is getting back to basics .. In reality,and unfortunately, I believe it fell short when it was so close to the goal. I know the NA engine is never coming back but they could have easily produced a car that would have more squarely hit their marketing target without virtually any additional costs in development.
......
If Porsche would build me that exact car.... I would release the death grip I currently have on my NA 991 just for the chance to buy one last "simplified" brand new 911 before it all likely goes down the drain with the threat of cross brand platform sharing, that ghastly 992 interior and eventual hybrid power...
Just like that swiss army knife and CUV's for that matter, sorry Macan fans, they end up creating a product that technically will do every job but not necessarily excel at any one job with no sharp focus as to what it does best.
Which brings us to the "T" which was a car promised to bring back the pure joy of driving with a manual transmission and where less is more .... On and on the marketing goes...It's focus from what I gather, is getting back to basics .. In reality,and unfortunately, I believe it fell short when it was so close to the goal. I know the NA engine is never coming back but they could have easily produced a car that would have more squarely hit their marketing target without virtually any additional costs in development.
......
If Porsche would build me that exact car.... I would release the death grip I currently have on my NA 991 just for the chance to buy one last "simplified" brand new 911 before it all likely goes down the drain with the threat of cross brand platform sharing, that ghastly 992 interior and eventual hybrid power...
And I loved my “Swiss army knife” Macan, but what you describe is the main reason why I sold it. I prefer a car purpose built to a certain character/vibe moreso than something intended to please a wide audience. No question.
01-23-2018, 09:00 AM
#29
Pro
Maybe I am missing something: If you want to do heel-and-toe yourself, what is wrong with simply leaving the mode switch to Normal? It's not like the PDK where the gears are held up to redline and have faster shifts in S+. For all things, you could leave it in Normal, and manually select the suspension to be in Sport mode. Wouldn't that work? And for those not yet mastering the heel-and-toe, let them enjoy the rev matching with Sport mode. Or is there something else I am clearly missing here?
Last edited by BlueNorther; 01-23-2018 at 10:08 AM. Reason: EDIT should read per 991.2 GTS owner's manual
01-23-2018, 09:21 AM
#30
Drifting
Thread Starter
Because the other settings are much different between normal vs sport/sport + modes: throttle response, RPM limiter, idle speed, optimized engine sound in car interior, PTM, dynamic engine mounts, PTV, PASM are all affected (per the owner's manual). Driving in normal is like castrating your sports car. Sure there are situations to choose normal mode, good to have the option. And sure it's nice to be able to choose auto rev, but not if your are forced into a particular driving mode to do it, especially if only in normal mode.
