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#17
These are the same guys who in the "How Its Made" Porsche factory videos are all happy, well-adjusted, and proud of their work? Work which to look at the videos involves never lifting more than 5 lbs and never working faster than a casually steady pace? Where everything you need appears right at hand as if by magic, the air is cleaner than the air outside, and you don't even wear out your clothes because they give you a nice spiffy uniform to wear? I guess it must be true then. No matter how good things are, its never enough.
#18
Race Director
Originally Posted by chuck911
These are the same guys who in the "How Its Made" Porsche factory videos are all happy, well-adjusted, and proud of their work? Work which to look at the videos involves never lifting more than 5 lbs and never working faster than a casually steady pace? Where everything you need appears right at hand as if by magic, the air is cleaner than the air outside, and you don't even wear out your clothes because they give you a nice spiffy uniform to wear? I guess it must be true then. No matter how good things are, its never enough.
Well said and hilarious. Cashiers and stockers at Walmart work much harder unfortunately.
28 hr work week? I'll have that in by Wednesday sometime on a 7 day a week work week.
#20
Race Director
Who is buying these inflated builds?? Nobody. They're sitting. There's like 150 of them over $150K. $135K-$150K? 100's of them.
We never saw as many inflated builds for 991.1's in such high numbers. More common now.
We never saw as many inflated builds for 991.1's in such high numbers. More common now.
#21
Interesting how people want to place all the blame and hammer the workers who want a pay raise. According to the Reuters article linked above, they want 3.9% and the company is offering 2. Don't forget these are the same workers who "forgave" portions of contracted raises (key word there, contract) in 2015 for the mission E program.
You guys don't think they read the papers and headlines that talk about how Porsche is the most profitable automaker? If they can negotiate something better for their family why not? As a worker bee myself, a lot of these positions are ones where you can't individually get a larger merit raise than someone else or extra bonus/commission/etc.
Anyway, just a different perspective for balance.
You guys don't think they read the papers and headlines that talk about how Porsche is the most profitable automaker? If they can negotiate something better for their family why not? As a worker bee myself, a lot of these positions are ones where you can't individually get a larger merit raise than someone else or extra bonus/commission/etc.
Anyway, just a different perspective for balance.
#22
Burning Brakes
#23
Porsche is the most profitable car company and the quality is top notch so those guys in the factory are doing a bang-up job of putting them together.
It seems to me that the relationship is working for everyone involved.
I'm sure this is just a regular part of the process. As far as I'm concerned, all is well. Keep doing what they're doing. Those guys deserve to have short working hours and high pay so long as they keep building near-perfect cars.
It seems to me that the relationship is working for everyone involved.
I'm sure this is just a regular part of the process. As far as I'm concerned, all is well. Keep doing what they're doing. Those guys deserve to have short working hours and high pay so long as they keep building near-perfect cars.
#24
Race Car
Who is buying these inflated builds?? Nobody. They're sitting. There's like 150 of them over $150K. $135K-$150K? 100's of them.
We never saw as many inflated builds for 991.1's in such high numbers. More common now.
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#25
Burning Brakes
Easy to scoff at a 28 hour work week statement without seeing the entire picture.
My question would be what are their counterparts at Mercedes and BMW working and getting paid. It is all relative. Particularly in a union pattern bargaining situation. Now if their counterparts are working 40 hours for the same money then their demands are ridiculous. However if their counterparts are working 28 hours I can see where they are coming from. There are enough topics locally I don't understand without worrying about the German auto workers labor market. I just hope they get my car through the line in the next week or two!
My question would be what are their counterparts at Mercedes and BMW working and getting paid. It is all relative. Particularly in a union pattern bargaining situation. Now if their counterparts are working 40 hours for the same money then their demands are ridiculous. However if their counterparts are working 28 hours I can see where they are coming from. There are enough topics locally I don't understand without worrying about the German auto workers labor market. I just hope they get my car through the line in the next week or two!
#26
Technology was supposed to make our lives easier. We were all supposed to be working < 30 hour weeks while earning upper middle class salaries and living a life of leisure.
Obviously that's not how the world has worked out.
Good for them if they can live the dream!! So long as they're doing a good job and the company is making good profits, I salute them!
If your employees feel valued, they'll take pride in their work and will do an excellent job. I wonder how many American auto workers hate the company they work for and could care less about the cars they're building?
Obviously that's not how the world has worked out.
Good for them if they can live the dream!! So long as they're doing a good job and the company is making good profits, I salute them!
If your employees feel valued, they'll take pride in their work and will do an excellent job. I wonder how many American auto workers hate the company they work for and could care less about the cars they're building?
#27
Rennlist Member
These are the same guys who in the "How Its Made" Porsche factory videos are all happy, well-adjusted, and proud of their work? Work which to look at the videos involves never lifting more than 5 lbs and never working faster than a casually steady pace? Where everything you need appears right at hand as if by magic, the air is cleaner than the air outside, and you don't even wear out your clothes because they give you a nice spiffy uniform to wear? I guess it must be true then. No matter how good things are, its never enough.
The factory of tomorrow will have 100 robots, one employee, and one dog. The employee's job will be to fix the robots. The dog's job will be to bite the employee if they touch anything else.
#28
I'm really surprised how porsche let their dealers go wild with these "dealer builds", especially considering how few allocations we are getting in 2018. No wonder people have to wait really long for their own builds, when dealers are using up all the allocations for these bat**** crazy builds.
Similar with the GT3s. Almost all my local dealers had 3-4 brand new pre built GT3s on sale back in early December. Let's just say they didn't even have to charge over MSRP to get good money out of those cars... Of course being GT3s, people bit the bullet and bought these pre built cars
Similar with the GT3s. Almost all my local dealers had 3-4 brand new pre built GT3s on sale back in early December. Let's just say they didn't even have to charge over MSRP to get good money out of those cars... Of course being GT3s, people bit the bullet and bought these pre built cars
#29
Race Director
Originally Posted by Noah Fect
And these are the same downtrodden workers who just got 9000 Euro bonuses.
The factory of tomorrow will have 100 robots, one employee, and one dog. The employee's job will be to fix the robots. The dog's job will be to bite the employee if they touch anything else.
The factory of tomorrow will have 100 robots, one employee, and one dog. The employee's job will be to fix the robots. The dog's job will be to bite the employee if they touch anything else.
Well said. The are spoiled and have unions have a strangle hold on Porsche. There have been many posts written about it on Rennlist.
#30
Race Director
Originally Posted by basic666
I'm really surprised how porsche let their dealers go wild with these "dealer builds", especially considering how few allocations we are getting in 2018. No wonder people have to wait really long for their own builds, when dealers are using up all the allocations for these bat**** crazy builds.
Similar with the GT3s. Almost all my local dealers had 3-4 brand new pre built GT3s on sale back in early December. Of course being GT3s, people bit the bullet and bought these pre built cars
Similar with the GT3s. Almost all my local dealers had 3-4 brand new pre built GT3s on sale back in early December. Of course being GT3s, people bit the bullet and bought these pre built cars
Many GT3's are sitting too with crazy asking mark ups.