A look at Carrera S v. T "Value"
01-04-2018, 04:48 PM
#31
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This is one of the easiest things to resolve, I am sure you can find a set of 991.1 S brakes at junkyards or reasonable prices.
01-04-2018, 04:55 PM
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01-04-2018, 05:30 PM
#33
Originally Posted by blepski
A set of snow tires or a winter beater will easily solve that problem without compromising the T with the added weight , complexity and less disirable handling characteristics of AWD ....
01-04-2018, 05:32 PM
#34
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I have a problem with calling it a "T" having driven a 911 since the early 1970's. All my friends of similar age have always asked about my past 911 cars "is it an S?" knowing that the 911T was the base economy model. Should have just called it the Carrera Touring.
01-04-2018, 05:34 PM
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I have a problem with calling it a "T" having driven a 911 since the early 1970's. All my friends of similar age have always asked about my past 911 cars "is it an S?" knowing that the 911T was the base economy model. Should have just called it the Carrera Touring.
01-04-2018, 05:39 PM
#36
Burning Brakes
Very true. Another option I have considered is to get PCCB and then immediately swap out the mega expensive Porsche ceramic disks, wrap them in bubble wrap and lock them in a safe and replace with much less expensive after market ceramic disks.
01-04-2018, 05:44 PM
#37
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So it is 44 pounds saving on a car weighing 3,175 or so pounds which is 1.386% (I was generous assuming 2.1% as I am not sure about exact equivalent S config weight). This saving does not look like a big deal. While PAG markets the T as an enthusiast car, but without providing substantial weight saving it is just a low cost entry point option. That is the way I see the T. The S is more powerful and quicker car. As others said already the best value is perhaps in the most expensive performance oriented packages.
01-04-2018, 05:48 PM
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So it is 44 pounds saving on a car weighing 3,175 or so pounds which is 1.386% (I was generous assuming 2.1% as I am not sure about exact equivalent S config weight). This saving does not look like a big deal. While PAG markets the T as an enthusiast car, but without providing substantial weight saving it is just a low cost entry point option. That is the way I see the T. The S is more powerful and quicker car. As others said already the best value is perhaps in the most expensive performance oriented packages.
Seats, PCCB, RWS and FAL can have a 300 pound swing - add a lithium battery and you have another 40 pounds to the delta.
01-04-2018, 06:30 PM
#39
Actually, the GT3T is *less* “performance/hardcore oriented” than the GT3 proper. You don’t get to “more” performance/hardcore oriented by deleting the aero.
01-04-2018, 06:32 PM
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I think that is what he was saying. There were two separate ideas in his post.....GT3 touring is less performance oriented while the 911T is more performance oriented....so the touring badge may not be a good fit for the 911T.
01-04-2018, 06:36 PM
#42
If you are asking me.. I want the smaller turbos because they spin up faster and have less lag than the S model. I can't really use all the power in my 2016 C2 so I know I don't "need" more power than the 2018 C2. I tend to drive too fast as it is now so an extra 50 hp will do nothing but get me in trouble. I also want the smaller turbos because clearly the bottom end of the new engine has been designed to withstand at least 450 HP (GTS) so running "only" 370 HP in the base or T it should last forever. I never thought about the weight of the larger turbos but I guess that might also be a small advantage.
01-04-2018, 06:48 PM
#44
Originally Posted by k997
The base breaks are the .1 S breaks already .... Just in black.
991.1 S 340mm6pot/330mm4pot F/R RED
991.2 base 330mm4pot/330mm4pot F/R BLACK
01-04-2018, 07:00 PM
#45
I have a problem with calling it a "T" having driven a 911 since the early 1970's. All my friends of similar age have always asked about my past 911 cars "is it an S?" knowing that the 911T was the base economy model. Should have just called it the Carrera Touring.
Here’s the thing: Porsche wanted to name it “Clubsport” after its spiritual predecessor, the 1987 911 Carrera 3.2 Clubsport, but BMW owns the trademark on that name these days. “T” is what they had left. They say it stands for “Touring,” but only if you use the autocrosser’s definition of touring.