mrmojom3

New to Porsche. I was reading about the 911R, the 911T, and now the 991.2 GT3 "touring". They continue to make these niche editions which is very cool.

Would Porsche ever do a non GT car with the 4.0, manual, and back seat? The GT3 is a bit much for a road car, and I dont track. But yet love the 4.0 motor.

I could go after a used 991.2 GT3 touring but it will take forever to pick one up used plus no rear seat.

I could consider the 911T but it has the turbo motor.

Flame suit on. Please take it easy on me for even asking this... ha ha but why not?

Buteo

991.1 GTS to the rescue.

mrmojom3

Yeah, I know... which is what I have now.

However I would like a bit more top end in the motor which the 4.0 has and my GTS does not. Plus I really like the 991.2 suspension refinement over the 991.1.

I dont want to turn this into a .1 vs. .2 or turbo vs. N/A thread - I think there's enough of those

With all these special editions, just wondering if Porsche would release a GT motor in a non GT car...

arter

A GT3 motor in a GTS would cost as much as a GT3.

Buy a GT3 touring and put softer and higher springs on it to make it a better DD.

raidersfan

Can the back seat be added?

randr

You probably should have a look at the failed engine thread in the 991 GT3 forum. Engines are still failing (E and F series). It took Porsche three bites of the cherry to (seemingly) get it right. They changed the design for the 4l.

If you want the 4l NA put a deposit down on the 992.1 GT3 - it'll have the 4l engine and you'll have the benefit of seeing if its reliable/safe or not. Alternatively have a look at a 718GT4 - it will most likely have a "detuned" version of the 4l.

In the interim pick up a 991.2 GTS - its just as quick as the GT3 and if you want the same levels of grip as the .2 GT3 just add MPSC2 N1 tires (the ride is more "robust" with these tires).

Hula

The answer to most questions is China. In addition to regular import taxes, gas guzzler taxes start a 2 liters and really start to bite a 3 liters. Engines over 3000 cc is subject to a 17% gas guzzler tax in addition to the 25% import duty and other taxes and fees..

That's why the 991.2 is 2981cc and the new Alfa Romeo Giulia is 2891cc. A $30,000 Jeep Wrangler with it's 3.8 liter engine is over $70,000 in China. The taxes escalate the higher the displacement. At 4 liters, it's 40%. That's why why the 488 had to get under 4.0 liters at 3902. Same thing with Aston Martin and McLaren's new offerings. The new V8 for the DB11 and the new V8 McLaren engine for the 720S are just under 4 liters.

Only low volume cars like the F12, Aventador, and GT3 can find enough Chinese buyers after the huge markups.

Needsdecaf

So don’t send it to China. Got a quadrillion other models to send there.

Archimedes

Simple. Porsche can’t meet average fuel economy regs selling lots of NA motors, particularly big high performance ones.

Drifting

Not going to happen due the previously mentioned China tax rules and new emission regs, (for which you can thank recent tree hugger governments worldwide).

The genie isn’t going back into the bottle either. You’re never again going to see a regular cayman, boxster, 911 carrera, S, or GTS with a purely NA engine.

And since you don’t care for the wing, your only option for a 4.0L NA, manual, 911 variant is the GT3 touring.

If you must have rear seats, then you’ll have to live with your current 911 until your kids get too big for the rear seats. It will take you a few years anyway to get into a good position on most dealers lists for a GT3 touring.

90% of us with incoming .2 GT3s have previously purchased multiple Porsches and put down deposits two years ago for the privilege of our current allocations.

You said you’re new to Porsche, well one thing about Porsche is that for niche “special” models you have to plan ahead, develop dealer relationships, and put down deposits a year or more in advance.
Totally different from buying a regular 911, Boxster, or Cayenne, that you can just buy from any dealer at anytime.

K-A

Be thankful you're at least close enough at a 3.8 natural breather, that pushes <400. As mentioned, due to regs and MPG requirements, it's the last of its kind thus likely the closest you'll get having a non-GT/R 4.0.

You can always get a GT3 and mod it, or "de-mod" it accordingly I guess.

LexVan

If you want a 4.0L motor, with GT3 power, send your GTS to Wray at BGB Motorsports, along with a check for about $24K. With all the parts pre-ordered, it will take about a week.

R_Rated

Do headers, IPD plenum, BMC filters, 3rd radiator & Tune. Car will be fine. You'll fall in love with it again. Exhaust if you want more sound.

FF1 engine mounts and auxiliary transmission cooler and your tranny will be bullet proof and much crisper.

Bacura

I seriously doubt a tune on a GTS will gain any power at all. GTS has 3rd radiator and a different plenum than the standard S engine already. And as we ALL know a new exhaust will just give you more noise.

R_Rated

on a GTS - sport headers and BMC filters are really the only meaningful power adders and you're maybe going to see 15hp at the crank... better option is to seek placebo HP in terms of exhaust.

Beyond that you have to spend pretty big money to get any gains in terms of power.

Weight reduction is your next area of gains and not cheap. For 20K you can get lightweight wheels and CCB. The reduction in unsprung mass will be noticeable but 20K noticeable is very subjective. for an additional 10K you start looking at LWB seats and rear seat removal or less if you go with aftermarket lightweight seats.

So for ~35K you can max out the bolt on power and weight savings. Is $35K worth it to you? some people do it...