New 911 Carrera T: a completely pointless marketing exercise
10-22-2017, 09:40 PM
#31
Race Director
Originally Posted by R_Rated
Still heavier than a #1 car...
So much for that marketing angle
Make a car heavier, but then come out with a lighter version which is still heavier than the generation before it
10-22-2017, 09:42 PM
#32
Ok. After reading I gotta say, sounds like the best version of the regular (non-GT) 911 range....
LWB bucket seats (unavailable on anything other than a GT car otherwise), manual trans w/shorter throws, SPASM suspension lower 20mm, mechanical rear diff, and some nice cosmetic bits especially on interior that would otherwise only be doable at high cost with Exclusive. cool.
Put another way, this is what the base 911 should have always been. Despite less power, with a manual, buckets, SPASM and rear diff, this will probably be the most entertaining 911 short of a GT3 to wind out and run through some of your favorite twisty roads. Too bad they couldn’t just toss in the old NA engine from the 991.1 GTS!
Still, though, the naming confuses it with the GT3 Touring.
LWB bucket seats (unavailable on anything other than a GT car otherwise), manual trans w/shorter throws, SPASM suspension lower 20mm, mechanical rear diff, and some nice cosmetic bits especially on interior that would otherwise only be doable at high cost with Exclusive. cool.
Put another way, this is what the base 911 should have always been. Despite less power, with a manual, buckets, SPASM and rear diff, this will probably be the most entertaining 911 short of a GT3 to wind out and run through some of your favorite twisty roads. Too bad they couldn’t just toss in the old NA engine from the 991.1 GTS!
Still, though, the naming confuses it with the GT3 Touring.
10-22-2017, 09:52 PM
#34
SJW, a Carin' kinda guy
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Absolutely.
Been doing some math and basically you save $1k over getting everything separately (built up a C2 with sport chrono, sport exhaust, Carrera S wheels, 4 way sport seat plus, sport design mirrors, and side decals and then addded $890 for SPASM from an S and $1320 for PTV on a C4 for the mechanical diff lock) and you get the shorter drive ratio and all of the cosmetics for free on top of that (painted interior trim, rear badging, wheels painted which would be another $3k or so) and you get sporttex which I consider a wash with leather.
Been doing some math and basically you save $1k over getting everything separately (built up a C2 with sport chrono, sport exhaust, Carrera S wheels, 4 way sport seat plus, sport design mirrors, and side decals and then addded $890 for SPASM from an S and $1320 for PTV on a C4 for the mechanical diff lock) and you get the shorter drive ratio and all of the cosmetics for free on top of that (painted interior trim, rear badging, wheels painted which would be another $3k or so) and you get sporttex which I consider a wash with leather.
10-22-2017, 10:02 PM
#36
Despite what I said earlier, gotta also point this out:
For the same or less money, I’d take a GT4 or 981 Spyder every day of the week. Better handling, just as good looking inside and out if not better looking, and most importantly, that wonderful wonderful wail of a natural aspirated high revving flat 6.
Used GT4s and 981 Spyders with low miles that are CPO (even with the bucket seats and other good options) are selling for right around the $100K mark, the same as the base price for this new 911T.
When the 718 GT4 and Spyder come out in next year with probably a detuned 4.0 NA flat 6, they’ll be priced similar to a well optioned 911T and again, will be far more engaging to drive and will hold their values far better long term.
For the same or less money, I’d take a GT4 or 981 Spyder every day of the week. Better handling, just as good looking inside and out if not better looking, and most importantly, that wonderful wonderful wail of a natural aspirated high revving flat 6.
Used GT4s and 981 Spyders with low miles that are CPO (even with the bucket seats and other good options) are selling for right around the $100K mark, the same as the base price for this new 911T.
When the 718 GT4 and Spyder come out in next year with probably a detuned 4.0 NA flat 6, they’ll be priced similar to a well optioned 911T and again, will be far more engaging to drive and will hold their values far better long term.
10-22-2017, 10:05 PM
#37
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10-22-2017, 10:16 PM
#39
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10-22-2017, 10:17 PM
#40
Three Wheelin'
10-22-2017, 10:26 PM
#42
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I like it. I would buy it for the gearbox/front seats/rear seat delete. Some pretty cool GT3 type stuff -
Among the weight saving initiatives brought to the new 911 model are door trims featuring nylon opening loops, lightweight glass for the rear and rear-side windows, a wholesale reduction in sound deadening material within the body structure as well as the deletion of the rear seats.
Among the weight saving initiatives brought to the new 911 model are door trims featuring nylon opening loops, lightweight glass for the rear and rear-side windows, a wholesale reduction in sound deadening material within the body structure as well as the deletion of the rear seats.
10-22-2017, 10:43 PM
#43
I can't imagine they're offering LWBs in this car. Give it LWBs and a proper 6 speed and I'd be ordering one.
10-22-2017, 10:57 PM
#44
SJW, a Carin' kinda guy
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“This new Carrera T model also comes with the option to choose full bucket seats for the first time.”
They offered GT2 buckets at the end of the 997 run across the range, but this time it looks like it is starting (and may be limited to) the 911T.
As far as 6 v. 7 it will be interesting to see how much shorter the final drive on this is.
10-22-2017, 10:57 PM
#45
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This seems like a bit of a joke? A reduction of only 20kg/44lbs? And installing rear steering which adds weight? Then utilizing just the base engine? Not even the extra HP of an S?