Originally Posted by Bemo

Having driven the Ring a month ago, of course in a slow as hell NA M3, I brought a cup back home.
Just poured myself some tea and opened my favorite thread this week.

TEA = Turbo Enough Already

Originally Posted by STG

Originally Posted by Dewinator

In 991.1 land the base often comes w/o PASM, I'd want one with it if I weren't getting the S.

Originally Posted by 911boy

I got my first (991.2) last Christmas ( I had been a very good boy) and absolutely love it. Didnt get the S and if I were ordering another one today I'm not sure that I would. These things are really fast/quick for everyday driving in the city and hwy. If I was tracking it I would probably go S. Same goes for PASM ,, rear wheel steering etc. Not sure there is any benefit on a daily driver. I wonder if I will feel the same in a couple of years..................I really like the new GT3................

Originally Posted by OTM

I loved my 2014 base 911 (manual) in GT Silver over last few years. Didn’t do much to it besides adding PSE. I loved it. I loved the sound, feel and need to wind out the engine. I drove it year round and commuted in it most days. But like many, I began to suffer from “S” envy. It started small but grew a bit each and every trip. Not sure why. I didn’t need or miss the extra oomph. The bigger red brakes weren’t that big a deal. Nobody but us diehards know or care about base vs S but still it slowly ate away at me.

I convinced myself I was tired of silver and I wanted to try black (which I always avoided). I convinced myself that I needed a newer car with cpo as my warranty would run out in early 2018 and I already had 28,000 miles. I convinced myself I would need brakes and tires soon so I should sell before that large expense. I followed HFS and cars.com every day for 6 months and did not find the 2015 or 2016 with manual and the options I wanted and then I convinced myself of the big one...I’ll get a brand new 2017 S and I’ll love it!

I figured I would love the new electronics and the turbo whistle was fun. I convinced myself that I wouldn’t miss the NA sound and rough feel. So I started a search for a 2017 S. I needed a manual, sport chrono, PSE and sunroof. I found a few good possibilities and then I found what I thought was perfect. In beginning of July I found it in New Hampshire. Warranty punched, black, all the options I wanted and barely anything extra to drive up the price. The dealer offered me a great price on my trade. It had a punched warranty so I hammered out a good deal that included a CPO warranty even though it had 20 miles.

(Picture below)

It was perfect and beautiful...and I knew I made a big mistake.

The car was noticeably faster. The black was so nice (when clean). I had only 20 miles and 5.5 yrs of warranty. This should have been a keeper. But I kept looking for a 2016 S. I wasn’t sure why. Was it just the engine sound. I didn’t notice any lag but I missed the rough rumble of my 2014. I liked the upgraded electronics but I missed the PCM that I knew and loved. And...the black was driving me nuts. I was washing the car every couple days because it constantly looked filthy. Even if I washed it and put it right in the garage, within 2 days the dust that covered it was bugging me.

So my search continued until I found it. A newly traded in 2016 S in Dark Blue Metallic. CPO and 7,000 miles. Manual of course, glass roof, sport chrono, sport PASM, Bose, turbo wheels. (2nd photo below) a few other options but nothing crazy. This was the car I had been looking for over last 9 months. Just too bad I purchased that 2017 before I found it

I love it. I hope to have it for years and years. I added PSE right away. And clear side marker, and my pretty new winter S wheels in platinum (I’ll use the turbo wheels as winter wheels) and the black gts rear grille. I always loved that look so I figured let’s just get it all done and not think about any upgrades (last couple photos).

The 2017 was faster, smoother, more fuel efficient, newer, less miles and more warranty but I have no regret in my decision. The NA sound is intoxicating. The 2017 sounded great. I loved it and the PSE was awesome but absolutely no comparison to the NA 3.8 (or the 3.4 which I think sounded perfect btw). The clutch in the 2017 was light and smooth. Fairly short and nice easy bite...but I love the 2016 clutch. Stiffer but not too stiff. Longer travel but not too long. More effort required but...well you get it. I think this one is a keeper. My wife, family, friends and neighbors all think I’m crazy. I have to agree with them all!

Thanks for reading.

Originally Posted by NA430GTS

This made my wife and I laugh out loud. Then she said, "oh no, are we like them?!".....as I research GT3 allocations I say "nah!"

Originally Posted by 9~factor

Coming from a guy shopping for his first Porsche, how true is this statement in general?

Originally Posted by R_Rated

To what end? You'll soon get used to the new "added speed" and then what? If that's your end game - you just need to get a TURBO now No shame in that by the way (or a #2 car) Either will get you more low end power but #1/#2/Turbo all have very different characteristics and neither the #2 or Turbo can give you the character of your GTS.

Originally Posted by Drifting

Disagree.
With the .2 GT3, You get more torque and speed than a 991.1 carerra , while still keeping the instant response and the sound of an NA engine. A Turbo is a completely different experience.
You'll also get a far better gearbox, the 6 speed with proper low gears, or PDK-S which is 10X better than regular PDK.

Originally Posted by R_Rated

I'm not sue what you are disagreeing with exactly....