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Base Radio Regrets: How to fix it?

Old 10-01-2017, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bemo
I am also an audiophile which is why neither system would bother me or impress me.
They are all “good enough,” for proper listening I have a stereo setup at home with good speakers, interconnects and CDs. That’s where I get quality. To sit in a moving car, not well insulated with no “sweet spot,” and expect a stereo like experience with a proper stage, depth and clarity is a fool’s errand.
OP switch from MP3s to WAV’s and save your money.

I’m just adding a different perspective and you can tell me to pound sand which suits me just fine.

Good luck either way.
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^^^I agree, plus tire and engine noise pretty much kill any attempt to duplicate “audiophile” environment.

Obviously I'm biased given my profession, but I've always said that this thought process is like dating a supermodel with zero personality. It makes sense, but if you could, wouldn't you want to have both?

Just because it's not easy to recreate good imaging, depth, and clarity in an automotive environment doesn't mean it's not worth pursuing. With the right design and integration behind it, it's actually a relatively straight forward process.
Old 10-01-2017, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 12v Nick
Obviously I'm biased given my profession, but I've always said that this thought process is like dating a supermodel with zero personality. It makes sense, but if you could, wouldn't you want to have both?

Just because it's not easy to recreate good imaging, depth, and clarity in an automotive environment doesn't mean it's not worth pursuing. With the right design and integration behind it, it's actually a relatively straight forward process.
Hi Nick, curious to your thoughts on the Burmester system in the 991.1's, specifically if you think it's worth the money as an option, if you think the system can be improved on with some upgrades for the cars that already have it, and if you think you can do better for less money with aftermarket options on the cars that don't?

Apologies if you've weighed in on this before, feel free to point me in that direction.
Old 10-01-2017, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by PJ Cayenne
So true. I'm a realist, I admit that I don't have a very discerning set of ears. However, the wife's Cayenne has the Bose system as does my 911. World of difference between the two. Cayenne Bose is fantastic, you can keep the Bose in the 911. It just can't compete with all the noise in the car. I also tried out a Burmester system on a 911 Cabriolet, not worth the money either. Not sure I'd waste money on a good sound system for any 911.
base system in our cayenne sounds better than the bose in my 991, so its probably the soundstage
Old 10-02-2017, 02:13 AM
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If I lived in Portland, I'd call these folks today. Their website makes them sound like they "get it."

Really hoping to find someone similar here in L.A.

Thanks, though.
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Originally Posted by Mountain_Smith
Hi Nick, curious to your thoughts on the Burmester system in the 991.1's, specifically if you think it's worth the money as an option, if you think the system can be improved on with some upgrades for the cars that already have it, and if you think you can do better for less money with aftermarket options on the cars that don't?

Apologies if you've weighed in on this before, feel free to point me in that direction.
I've definitely commented on this before, but it would be hard to search that given the parameters. I think whether or not the investment is worth it really depends on the situation(resale value and whatnot). But from a pure audio standpoint, I think it's an epic waste of money. The components in that system vs even the base audio system are barely an improvement. for $5k you're getting upgraded tweeters and a more powerful amplifier with better processing. Starting with the base stereo and upgrading the components, you can achieve far better performance for around the same or even less cost.

That said, finding a local shop to work with on a fitting upgrade for a car like this is not the easiest task. Upgrading the audio in a Porsche is something that requires a specialist with experience in the platform and in high-end audio. Now, I'm working on rectifying that with the kits that we're developing, but there's nothing off-the-shelf at this point.

If you're interested in more details on my thoughts there, feel free to PM me or shoot me an email. Don't want to derail this thread too much.

Originally Posted by MJG911
base system in our cayenne sounds better than the bose in my 991, so its probably the soundstage
You're spot on there. The acoustic environment is the biggest difference. The components used are almost identical from one car to the next.


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