Speed2000

When my top is down, the weight of the roof is below the beltline so wouldn't that make the center of gravity lower than a coupe?

Hurricane

Isn't most of the added weight in the glass? Just curious.

TexasPorschelover

Actually the 991.2 GTS will be more rare than the 991.1 GTS. The 991.2 GTs will only be produced for 2017 and 2018. The 2019 will be a new body style and the 2016 is 991.1. Also for 2017 is was only produced since April I believe. So total production time for the 991.2 GTS is only about 18 mos assuming the new 2019 version starts delivering this time next year. 991.1's were produce much longer. So it will be interesting to see the values a decade from now with the 991.2's delivering more performance in much fewer production numbers of the same body style.

Christian Reyes

Until the guy in the panamera turbo almost kills himself trying to keep up with the 911's in the mountains.

Happened last week, not theory or benchmark racing by factory or magazine test drivers.

Rezus

How did you come up with your calculations? fact is 991.1 GTS was produced in 2015 and 2016, nobody knows for sure how long 991.2 GTS will be produced. Also the length of production cycle is one variable as these cars are not limited production, so many more could be ordered in the same time period. So I guess you are just speculation at best.

falco1098

ibmiked

I think maybe you're missing the overall point that may (or may not) make the 991.1 GTS desirable and therefore harder to come by. It isn't just the numbers made, it is the fact that it is normally aspirated and a manual. The 991.2 is turbocharged and when it is replaced by a better turbocharged 911 it will be wholly unremarkable. The 991.1 GTS is the last of it's kind, in much the same way as the 993 was.

TexasPorschelover

it was actually introduced in 2014 and prroduced through full year 2016 True on orders but as far as anyone can tell the 991.2 is proving more difficult to obtain. I waited along time for an allocation as many here have lamented. It will be interesting to see the end result. Looking like fewer numbers of 991.2's given highly likely much shorter production period. Porsche 911 production numbers as reported by Panamera have been pretty stable and not increasing. I wouldn't necessarily hang on to a 991.1 for appreciation reasons is my point.

Buteo

I'd expect also quite a few more 991.2 S cars opting for and installing after purchase the x51 power kit vs the 991.1 and its x51 power kit.

TexasPorschelover

perhaps. Time will tell. However turbo (the model and configuration) cars hold their value perhaps the best out of all the standard Porsche production models today. The air cooled turbos go for insane money and higher relatve values than do NA air cooled cars. So who knows The number of cars produced is the best predictor and given that a 2017 991.2GTS will be very hard to get with only a 4or 5 month production period - that's the one to hold in my mind. Sadly mine is a 2018. Oh well I'll live. I have a 911.1 4s as well and it's great but the 991.2 is a real step up in capability. So 15 - 20 years from now when buyers are looking at the 991 are they going to NA or for the short period that Porsche boosted the 991's performance?

titleistaddict87

Anyone who thinks that holding onto a .1 gts from new for evetual appreciation is crazed. By the time your car exceeds sticker it's going to be 10 years plus from now and the cost of maintenance, insurance, and any out of warranty repairs are going to completely eliminate whatever upside you think you are going to get.

For people that clearly were successful at some point in life to be able to afford these cars, this talk about holding one of these cars and looking forward to appreciation is insane and one of the dumbest financial miscalculations I've ever heard of. While you're holding your car and locking up your 120k I'm going to put my money to work and in 10 years I'll be able to buy your car and another 911 with my profits.

Yes you can profit on certain cars, if we're talking Porsche the CGT and the 918 come to mind. GT3 RS as well if you flipped it early. A current or recent mass production non numbered not limited 911? No way. You're dreaming and sorry to pop your bubble but just trying to bring some reality to this discussion so naive people don't get the wrong idea about these cars. Buy these cars because you like them enjoy them and want to drive them.

TexasPorschelover

and of course that above is true.

PantsFire

991.1 appreciation is a long way off, but things will get interesting over the next 10 years, manufacturers and countries phasing out petrol and diesel for the inevitable electric future may change the the typical depreciation/appreciation model.

What will happen to 991 and 992 prices if/when the 993 is announced to be all electric?

NoGaBiker

Bull$hit. You're going to put your money in a series of 5 more new 911s, each of which will cost 10k more than the previous one and lose you approximately $30,000 every time you restlessly flip it for the latest must-have. At the end of that 10 years you'll have lost $150,000 on your 911s, 30,000 more than the OP would lose if his 911 were to depreciate to $0.00 during that time.

That is what's "insane and one of the dumbest financial miscalculations I've ever heard of."

Hurricane

The 993 was announced years ago and was certainly not all-electric!