Masonbrick

I totally agree with speed21. I also wanted to add that it seems to me that the stock 991 Turbo muffler isn't great for outright flow. That chamber in the middle seems a bit of a bottleneck. Then again all the x-pipe designs seem to have the crossovers at too obtuse an angle to be of much benefit, and this is turbine exhaust so what real benefit would an 'X' have? I don't like the idea of chambers either, no matter how many tubes or whatnot are placed in there for acoustic properties. This is turbine exhaust so the straightest, biggest route out would work best I'd think. Then again I don't want my 991 Turbo to sound like two chevy sprints with cherry bombs when I drive around.....My Wife's M3 already sounds like that STOCK! So my 991 stays stock for now

ColdList

No. Sam covered it.


Tooting your own horn is smart marketing. Creating RAVING FANS who toot for you...even better. This is my area of expertise.



Fabulous vendor. Follows-up repeatedly AFTER the sale to ensure total happiness. Others should look to him as example. I'd always rather take a chance on a guy who I know will remedy anything that may not work out to my liking..even at his own expense. God prob. does love him..he's a giver. Giving>Receiving :-)



I'm suggesting that rarely is there not opportunity for improvement. And factually, aftermarket manufacturers have garnered much higher levels of performance, without issue, from stock vehicles by modifying and improving design. My buddy for instance, just received his 2015 650S back from the performance shop where a tune was applied and a rework of the cooling system and the creation of a much greater free-flowing exhaust were installed. Result. 830HP. Much improved over the stock 640+. In the same atmosphere, McLaren themselves use much of the same technologies and parts in the engines of the 675LT and the P1 yet improvements are made, restrictions removed and voila'...there's the P1...with it's electric boost.


Agreed here. Admittedly, I get very annoyed by "magazine quoters" who spew out opinion based upon something they have read or heard rather than true ownership experience. Usually quite laughable actually.



100% subjective. I guess we may both be mind-reading for the OP. For me, if the exhaust harmed the performance in a measurable way I'd not do it. But again, sound is usually the only result unless you have a truly screwed up system or if you are dealing with an NA car.



Wasn't making the implication that I or others don't care. Just that these aren't hypercars. Sure, we can have fun drag racing, etc. but I'd place bets that majority of us are just guys and girls looking for a fun DD. Exhaust "performance" is just what one thins is "good noise"...again, subjective at best.




My bad there. I read your response as if you were saying that they NEED back pressure. That was such a myth that finally has been dispelled...hopefully.



Got lost in all the quotes-LOL But if here you are referring to me not counting the Porsche as a supercar (excepting the 918) then I stand by that assertion. It's a sports car. Perhaps sports+. Every supercar I know and have owned will walk the Porsche in stock form and it's definitely not an eye-catcher in tthe same way, which, like it or not, is a characteristic of the supercar design. My 488 leaves it in the dust handily. Funny thing though...out of ALL the cars I have owned and currently own, Porsche is my FAVORITE brand and I would choose my TTS over anything. AMAZING cars. Hard to hurt 'em. And they just feel so confidence-inspiring. Quite addictive actually.



LOL! Still lost in quotes here :-)

Have you used the Kline with bad result?

ColdList

Wholeheartedly agree here. No pressure whatsoever. Heck, I felt badly about some of the costs Sam was covering...but we served a purpose for each other and I am satisfied to a point where I will continue to consult with everyone involved....I'm also a real pain in the butt...Sam was warned in advance-LOL

ColdList

To me, tone is the key rather than just having a loud exhaust. However they did it, Kline ran a non-perforated pipe through the cans to get this sound. Again, mine is coupled with race cats. Interestingly enough, the Inconel material, which seems like hype, actually DOES give a higher and more "GT3-ish" pitch than the stainless. I tried both. Is it worth the extra $? That's sort of an individual thing. Never thought I'd get compliments on the way my Porsche sounds but I do. Cold starts are beautiful.

Masonbrick

I hear you about the tone, I forgot about that in my post. I guess the magic is in the exhaust flowing well and sounding good. Especially in the severe constraints of the 991 bumper area

SamboTT@ByDesign

Hi everyone! I've been watching this thread and wanted to share my appreciation for all of the kind words and chance to work with all of you guys. For those who have questions and need any assistance at all, please feel free to reach out as my lines are always open! As amazing as the Kline systems have been with rave reviews, I always appreciate the hard work those gentlemen put in so that I can continue to push the spectrum wider and wider to meet everyone's needs. It's been quite nice and I think it's amazing that everyone shares true hands on experience with the community. We have learned so much and push the envelope of performance to record shattering levels and I can only think my entire team for that! Kline has played an integral part so anyone who wants to do themselves or their vehicle justice do your homework. Knowledge is power! We have a lot to share with the utmost confidence and guarantee. This way everyone can make their own choice.

Glad to be a part of the community and have the chance to work with so many great people. Always here with enthusiasm whether it's a simple question or a huge challenge!

Cheers

ColdList

Geeeeeeeezzzzz. You're always such a downer Sam.

SamboTT@ByDesign

Kline offers HJS 100 and 200cel cats with all systems. And the performance speaks for it self which is why hundreds of people love sharing their experiences. It's beyond just great or even wonderful. That takes work and creates pride. Especially if they're in competition breaking records and taking performance to new levels! But then again everyone pretty much knows that by now. Some have a knack for manipulating information and passing it back to the community for some wild reason or agenda. Actions and performance speak much louder than words. People are smart. Datsun That's another strong argument mate! I would never insult my fellow community with mis-information even if they were Datsun drivers. Cheers!

SamboTT@ByDesign

Ha ha, exhaust thread arguments with basically disparaging anger that go on forever with no logical or technical basis, requiring popcorn and ruining a good thread that the member wanted real information on is not a challenge to me. I let the people decide. The information is out there for those who choose to use it properly. The challenge is having the passion and team to give every single person what they want and being there for the customer till the very end. Standing behind them 100%. Which I can only do because of the fantastic team of engineers and specialists who share my passion and do what we love! That is the recipe for performance and happy customers. There's a difference between information and entertainment in my humble opinion. I can sleep very well at night knowing that I'm stepping away from the entertainment side and continuing to generate more happy clients with top-performing, solid cars.

John@Fabspeed

Very well said Sam, could not have said it better myself. An educated decision is the best decision, and it is a pleasure to have you and the Kline team as fellow members of the forum

John@Fabspeed

I have nothing bad to say about anyone or any company. Sam and Felix are great guys and I wish them the best of luck in their business practice. I am personally on Rennlist and Planet 9, but not on 6speedonline. However, I am not interested in looking into that and sparking debate. We each have our own way of accomplishing goals and push each other in this niche performance market to create something that is better for the community.

Td33

Sam and Felix just keep doing what you do. In today's world it's very difficult to find company's, such as yours, that care so much about customer service/satisfaction.

My Kline system just keeps getting better the more miles I put on. I used to look forward to getting the beast out because of its pure stock performance, but now look forward to the great sound/performance that this new Kline system has added.

Bob Rouleau

Folks,

Speed 21 is banned. Over the years he has been a shill for Europipe while slamming other vendors. He was warned and stopped for a while but is back to his old ways. I am sure Europipe makes a good product. It would be better if they became a legitimate advertiser. I have deleted a number of Speed's post which were blatant promotion of EP and/or denigration of other good systems. This is supposed to be a forum for sharing technical information and not a forum to systematically promote any one vendors product. If you have a Brand X product and like it say so, If you don't like it, say so in either case preferably why. That's not the same as hundreds (maybe more) of posts by one person promoting one product.

Regards,

Nanook

Good luck and.. good riddance..constantly looking to pick a scrap and as you say dissing other vendors..we are a happy content community here to discuss the merits of these fine automobiles...our pride and joy and pleased to entertain the many fine vendors that offer their services and for certain what is not needed is constant blatant attacks of the nature he so persistently exhibited..thank-you mod

ColdList

^^^^Perhaps BEST moderator comment ever. Several of us have asked him to be "for" instead of "against" and to provide useful information to any OP seeking it. It was laughable to hear any negative comments about Sam and about Kline. My experience has been nothing less than stellar with both the products and truly unbelievable with Sam. He's one of those vendors who's everything you read and MORE. I'd like to personally commend Fabspeed for stepping up here and chiming in also. I have dealt with Fabspeed in the past as well and had nothing but excellent service and received very high quality products. I have been a very big participant in many forums and seriously almost left Rennlist because of the bs being posted by this individual. Good riddance and here's to some useful sharing.