Deciding between regular and the S
#16
Three Wheelin'
Since you're talking about USED car prices, you're obviously discussing people who are looking for a good deal. If the price difference between a new 991 TT and a TT-S was only $10-15k, no one would get a TT. But a year old TT for at least $50k under the price of a new TT-S sure sounds like a bargain.
#17
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It IS only 15K or so once you consider the options in a TT you need to add to get to a TTS. I have a '16 TTS and I went through all of the options between the two, including the ones you can't get on a TT.
Ceramic brakes are a huge improvement over the standard steel brakes too...and you can't get em on a TT.
I agree with Speed 21...if you are spending 190+k...another 15 should not be something you have to think about. If it's only about money, a TT should be out of range, leave alone an S.
Ceramic brakes are a huge improvement over the standard steel brakes too...and you can't get em on a TT.
I agree with Speed 21...if you are spending 190+k...another 15 should not be something you have to think about. If it's only about money, a TT should be out of range, leave alone an S.
#18
I am not shopping above my means. I was merely asking whether or not it is worth the money. I have ceramics on my 458 italia and yes it does stop fast and yes they are awesome brakes. Now I do get annoyed driving around an urban area with ceramics, too grippy and my passenger feel like they are getting whiplash sometimes. 40 extra hp for a daily driver is nice, you can never have too much power, but as many of you have stated, can you really feel in real life driving. I am not looking to track this car, car if probably too fast for me to handle on a track, I would do better off with a cayman or something slower.
Seems like there are some good deals going through this winter already on both the regular and turbo S. Also it seems hard to find a white turbo S, that is what I am looking for.
Seems like there are some good deals going through this winter already on both the regular and turbo S. Also it seems hard to find a white turbo S, that is what I am looking for.
#19
Three Wheelin'
But I didn't have to spend 190+K on my car. I got a brand new 2015 TT Cab for 168k. I didn't plan on getting a TT rather than a TT-S, it just worked out that way. I found a car that I loved and I bought it. The dealership I bought my car from now has a 2016 TT-S cab on their lot for sale now for $215k. Other than the Burmeister stereo upgrade that car has, I don't care about any of the other options.
I'll never need better brakes on the street than my car has and I wash it often enough that brake dust doesn't matter. So what am I missing out on? After the break-in period is over, I'm going to install a Tubi sports exhaust + cats and a chip, so I really don't see what is missing from my car.
#20
Since you're talking about USED car prices, you're obviously discussing people who are looking for a good deal. If the price difference between a new 991 TT and a TT-S was only $10-15k, no one would get a TT. But a year old TT for at least $50k under the price of a new TT-S sure sounds like a bargain.
#21
I am not shopping above my means. I was merely asking whether or not it is worth the money. I have ceramics on my 458 italia and yes it does stop fast and yes they are awesome brakes. Now I do get annoyed driving around an urban area with ceramics, too grippy and my passenger feel like they are getting whiplash sometimes. 40 extra hp for a daily driver is nice, you can never have too much power, but as many of you have stated, can you really feel in real life driving. I am not looking to track this car, car if probably too fast for me to handle on a track, I would do better off with a cayman or something slower.
Seems like there are some good deals going through this winter already on both the regular and turbo S. Also it seems hard to find a white turbo S, that is what I am looking for.
Seems like there are some good deals going through this winter already on both the regular and turbo S. Also it seems hard to find a white turbo S, that is what I am looking for.
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PCCBs feel better, faster, stronger but they aren't. I have yet to find a single objective test (where objective means 'instrumented') where PCCBs performed better (where better means greater than a few percent) than iron.
Plenty of folks say that they are more fade-resistant on-track (queue Karl and others) and that's great if you are going to track it.
The feel of PCCB is all about pedal effort from onset to full brake force. Less pedal effort leads to a perception of better braking performance.
It kinda like the Sound Symposer except for your brakes.
And yes, I've driven PCCB. On the street.
#24
This - PCCB - is a(nother) situation in which Porsche has convinced a lot of people that perception is greater than truth and then get them to pay for it.
PCCBs feel better, faster, stronger but they aren't. I have yet to find a single objective test (where objective means 'instrumented') where PCCBs performed better (where better means greater than a few percent) than iron.
Plenty of folks say that they are more fade-resistant on-track (queue Karl and others) and that's great if you are going to track it.
The feel of PCCB is all about pedal effort from onset to full brake force. Less pedal effort leads to a perception of better braking performance.
It kinda like the Sound Symposer except for your brakes.
And yes, I've driven PCCB. On the street.
PCCBs feel better, faster, stronger but they aren't. I have yet to find a single objective test (where objective means 'instrumented') where PCCBs performed better (where better means greater than a few percent) than iron.
Plenty of folks say that they are more fade-resistant on-track (queue Karl and others) and that's great if you are going to track it.
The feel of PCCB is all about pedal effort from onset to full brake force. Less pedal effort leads to a perception of better braking performance.
It kinda like the Sound Symposer except for your brakes.
And yes, I've driven PCCB. On the street.
2. Kinda makes you wonder why all the high end marques use them then, F1 inc? Put aside the larger DIA PCCB discs, zero fade, un-sprung weight mass benefits, I say just drive them both back to back as hard and fast as your nerve will allow and then convince yourself the steels stop as good. If you can do that, and keep a straight face, that is the ultimate test.
#25
What are the real differences between the TT and the TT-S anyway? Ceramic brakes, center lock wheels, LED lights and the same engine with software tuning to add 40hp? Seems like if you get a regular TT and add an aftermarket chip, you wind up with a car with more horsepower and that still has top-notch headlights and brakes as well as wheels that you can change over easily by yourself.
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A TTS is simply a TT "tarted up" with options and an easily attainable +40HP... for a BIG profit margin premium.
It must make Porsche's corp bean counters orgasmic to hear folks rapturing on that a TTS is so much more than the sum of it's parts...
It must make Porsche's corp bean counters orgasmic to hear folks rapturing on that a TTS is so much more than the sum of it's parts...
#28
Build a non-S the way you want, and then check how many of those options are included in the S. That was really the deciding thing for me: with the exception of PCCB, everything I optioned on the regular was included in the S...and you get a little more power "for free."
#29
Burning Brakes
Base has PASM STANDARD
For my needs the "S" was a Porsche Money Grab.....drove both back to back & the power difference was undetectable...."S" extra 20 second boost or otherwise.
Either had un-useable speed/power for me anyway.
Options
Sport Chrono is $4090
PDCC (Porsche Dynamic Chassis) $3160
PCCB (ceramic brakes) $9210
LED $2340
Adaptive Cruise $2490
From GT Spirit article comparo TT V TTS
"What to Spec on a 991 Turbo?
Porsche makes good money with the optional extra’s for their cars and even for the 911 Turbo the list of optional extra’s seems endless. We had a look through the list of options and added our favorites to the list below. The Turbo S offers a lot of desirable systems that are optional on the Turbo as standard and also includes 40hp more. So if you are looking to go for a full option Turbo you can just as well go for the Turbo S.
A large difference in price between the Turbo and Turbo S is made by the standard Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes (PCCB) on the Turbo S, which cost nearly 10,000 Euro in Germany. These brakes are great but only if you plan to take the 911 Turbo on track regularly it justifies the investment.
Sport Chrono Package: Without it the Porsche 911 Turbo is simply not the same. The Sport Chrono Package offers the Sport Plus button in the center console. Sport Plus tightens everything including throttle responds and includes the launch control function.
Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control (PDCC): These computer controlled active anti-roll bars increase stiffness around bends and reduce body roll. Whether you should spec this or not depends more or less on your driving style. If you plan to take your car on track and push it hard definitely consider to spec this. On the public road however you won’t feel much improvement over the base car’s already excellent cornering abilities.
LED Headlights with Porsche Dynamic Light System Plus (PDLS+): Adapts the distance and angle of your headlights based on your speed, cornering or oncoming traffic for best possible view in the dark. Also comes with the 4 LED daytime running lights that give the car a cool look.
Adaptive Cruise Control with Porsche Active Safe (PAS): Plan to use your Porsche 911 Turbo as a daily driver? Than this is must, adaptive cruise control makes long journeys on our congested roads much more comfortable and safer, even in a 911 Turbo."
For my needs the "S" was a Porsche Money Grab.....drove both back to back & the power difference was undetectable...."S" extra 20 second boost or otherwise.
Either had un-useable speed/power for me anyway.
Options
Sport Chrono is $4090
PDCC (Porsche Dynamic Chassis) $3160
PCCB (ceramic brakes) $9210
LED $2340
Adaptive Cruise $2490
From GT Spirit article comparo TT V TTS
"What to Spec on a 991 Turbo?
Porsche makes good money with the optional extra’s for their cars and even for the 911 Turbo the list of optional extra’s seems endless. We had a look through the list of options and added our favorites to the list below. The Turbo S offers a lot of desirable systems that are optional on the Turbo as standard and also includes 40hp more. So if you are looking to go for a full option Turbo you can just as well go for the Turbo S.
A large difference in price between the Turbo and Turbo S is made by the standard Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes (PCCB) on the Turbo S, which cost nearly 10,000 Euro in Germany. These brakes are great but only if you plan to take the 911 Turbo on track regularly it justifies the investment.
Sport Chrono Package: Without it the Porsche 911 Turbo is simply not the same. The Sport Chrono Package offers the Sport Plus button in the center console. Sport Plus tightens everything including throttle responds and includes the launch control function.
Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control (PDCC): These computer controlled active anti-roll bars increase stiffness around bends and reduce body roll. Whether you should spec this or not depends more or less on your driving style. If you plan to take your car on track and push it hard definitely consider to spec this. On the public road however you won’t feel much improvement over the base car’s already excellent cornering abilities.
LED Headlights with Porsche Dynamic Light System Plus (PDLS+): Adapts the distance and angle of your headlights based on your speed, cornering or oncoming traffic for best possible view in the dark. Also comes with the 4 LED daytime running lights that give the car a cool look.
Adaptive Cruise Control with Porsche Active Safe (PAS): Plan to use your Porsche 911 Turbo as a daily driver? Than this is must, adaptive cruise control makes long journeys on our congested roads much more comfortable and safer, even in a 911 Turbo."
#30
So in short if you can afford it then go S. If you are worried over $10K to $15K then perhaps you might want to review what you want to buy. Please don't think I'm saying you cannot afford it. For all I know you might have been on a waiting list for a 918, P1 or LaFerrari! If that was the case you might want to take a look at the Pagani Huayra! It seems that after the 918's and P1's et al were all sold out then the Hedge Fund Manager's started Buying the Huayra's. Someone mentioned that during Pebble and Quail that there were a number of the new Pagani's in the Parking Lot. Fastest car around BBC's Top Gear!
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