Difference between a 991 TT vs and a 991 TTS.
10-28-2015, 05:55 PM
#16
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10-29-2015, 12:03 AM
#17
WRONG!!
I wish the OP would post each TT and TTS configuration. I have done this countless times and the TT optioned as a TTS is always more expensive. Let's forego whether one likes/needs all of the these base options that create a Turbo S
Historically Porsche charged about $18,000 for the x50 package which was less than a 40 hp gain. Everything else can be itemized and for simplicity we'll assume other options that are priced less for the S then the non-S Turbo are excluded. No extra leather, radio upgrades, painted doo-dads, etc.
Turbo Base Price $151,100
Turbo S HP gain $ 18,000 (conservative assumption. I know aftermarket mods are less)
PCCB $ 9,210
Sport Chrono $ 4,090
CL Wheels $ 3,835
PDDC $ 3,160
CF Interior Pkg $ 2,620
LED Headlights $ 2,340
18-way Seats $ 1,145
Sport Mirrors $ 600
Total $196,100 Turbo with options versus $182,700 for a Turbo S.
The Turbo S is $13,400 less before adding any non-standard Turbo S options. Yep, that's $45,000 in options that makes a Turbo a Turbo S (for comparison I excluded the exhaust tips and fuel filler cap).
I wish the OP would post each TT and TTS configuration. I have done this countless times and the TT optioned as a TTS is always more expensive. Let's forego whether one likes/needs all of the these base options that create a Turbo S
Historically Porsche charged about $18,000 for the x50 package which was less than a 40 hp gain. Everything else can be itemized and for simplicity we'll assume other options that are priced less for the S then the non-S Turbo are excluded. No extra leather, radio upgrades, painted doo-dads, etc.
Turbo Base Price $151,100
Turbo S HP gain $ 18,000 (conservative assumption. I know aftermarket mods are less)
PCCB $ 9,210
Sport Chrono $ 4,090
CL Wheels $ 3,835
PDDC $ 3,160
CF Interior Pkg $ 2,620
LED Headlights $ 2,340
18-way Seats $ 1,145
Sport Mirrors $ 600
Total $196,100 Turbo with options versus $182,700 for a Turbo S.
The Turbo S is $13,400 less before adding any non-standard Turbo S options. Yep, that's $45,000 in options that makes a Turbo a Turbo S (for comparison I excluded the exhaust tips and fuel filler cap).
10-29-2015, 09:27 AM
#18
It doesn't matter so much to me but it is clearly an issue for many other people. My car is so modded up now it's not really even a TTS anymore. However, I do like what I have done.
10-31-2015, 12:01 PM
#19
Burning Brakes
These are the power Specs for the TTS:
991 Turbo S
Max. Power 560 hp
@ rpm 6500 - 6750 rpm
Max. Torque 516 lb.-ft.
@ rpm 2100 - 4250 rpm
Max. Torque with Overboost 553 lb.-ft.
@ rpm 2200 - 4000 rpm
Compression ratio 9.8 : 1
And these are the power specs for the TT:
991 Turbo
Max. Power 520 hp
@ rpm 6000 - 6500 rpm
Max. Torque 487 lb.-ft.
@ rpm 1950 - 5000 rpm
Max. Torque with Overboost 524 lb.-ft.
@ rpm 2100 - 4250 rpm
Compression ratio 9.8 : 1
The Engine Hardware is identical on both models.
An analysis of the Specs reveals they are a lot closer in available power than the 40 HP difference advertised.
Although the Turbo S is rated at 560 HP, 516 lb.ft continuous Torque, and 553 lb.ft on overboost and has a 40 HP and 29 lb.ft Torque advantage over the Turbo's 520 HP - 487 / 524 lb.ft OB Torque, the lower and wider RPM range of the Turbo's specifications narrows the differences in actual available power considerably. The TTS requires 6500 RPM to make its rated 560 HP power over a 250 RPM range while the TT makes its rated 520 HP 500 RPM lower at 6000 RPM and holds it over a wider 500 RPM Range.
The higher TTS Maximum continuous Torque of 516 lb.ft holds over a 2100 RPM while the TT holds its maximum 487 lb.ft of Torque over a much wider 3050 RPM range. Similarly the Overboost TTS maximum Torque of 553 lb.ft holds over 1800 RPM while the Turbos OB Torque of 524 lb.ft is held over a wider 2150 RPM range. These wider spec ranges brings the actual power output of the TT much closer to the TTS, as has been noted by several reviewers who have driven both cars back to back. Both cars perform well into SuperCar territory. The choice on which to buy IMHO hinges on whether you want the many options provided on the TTS which are extra cost on the TT. If you wanted and configured a TT with all the options
on a TTS, you would be far better off, both for initial purchase price and resale purposes choosing the TTS.
991 Turbo S
Max. Power 560 hp
@ rpm 6500 - 6750 rpm
Max. Torque 516 lb.-ft.
@ rpm 2100 - 4250 rpm
Max. Torque with Overboost 553 lb.-ft.
@ rpm 2200 - 4000 rpm
Compression ratio 9.8 : 1
And these are the power specs for the TT:
991 Turbo
Max. Power 520 hp
@ rpm 6000 - 6500 rpm
Max. Torque 487 lb.-ft.
@ rpm 1950 - 5000 rpm
Max. Torque with Overboost 524 lb.-ft.
@ rpm 2100 - 4250 rpm
Compression ratio 9.8 : 1
The Engine Hardware is identical on both models.
An analysis of the Specs reveals they are a lot closer in available power than the 40 HP difference advertised.
Although the Turbo S is rated at 560 HP, 516 lb.ft continuous Torque, and 553 lb.ft on overboost and has a 40 HP and 29 lb.ft Torque advantage over the Turbo's 520 HP - 487 / 524 lb.ft OB Torque, the lower and wider RPM range of the Turbo's specifications narrows the differences in actual available power considerably. The TTS requires 6500 RPM to make its rated 560 HP power over a 250 RPM range while the TT makes its rated 520 HP 500 RPM lower at 6000 RPM and holds it over a wider 500 RPM Range.
The higher TTS Maximum continuous Torque of 516 lb.ft holds over a 2100 RPM while the TT holds its maximum 487 lb.ft of Torque over a much wider 3050 RPM range. Similarly the Overboost TTS maximum Torque of 553 lb.ft holds over 1800 RPM while the Turbos OB Torque of 524 lb.ft is held over a wider 2150 RPM range. These wider spec ranges brings the actual power output of the TT much closer to the TTS, as has been noted by several reviewers who have driven both cars back to back. Both cars perform well into SuperCar territory. The choice on which to buy IMHO hinges on whether you want the many options provided on the TTS which are extra cost on the TT. If you wanted and configured a TT with all the options
on a TTS, you would be far better off, both for initial purchase price and resale purposes choosing the TTS.
11-09-2015, 11:33 AM
#20
I need to get a spreadsheet program so I can see which Items are offered for free on the TTS over the TT such as 18 way seats, PCCBs and some leather items and the Motor Sport Mirrors. It's a good delta over the regular TT in commoner terms. For say someone cross shopping a Kia with A low cost ford.
For an instance in a normal 911 at the moment the MSRP for the 18 way seats is $3,825. Like said already The MSRP is $3,825 in an everyday 911. The MSRP is $1,145 for the 18 way seats for the Twin Turbo And Finally when you hit the TTS the cost of the Seats are 0 (Membership has it's privileges). Then they give you a Handshake a Pat on the back and say, "Welcome to the club ole chap". Traffic will split THE 405 Freeway like you are Moses and 93 Octane will be sold in California at the pump, all diseases will be cured and it will be all owed to the chap who bought that car.
Hmm I never said who or which Turbo they bought. And I still even missed the When, Where,Why (and sometimes) How! Genius not at work or at play in this post at the moment.
For an instance in a normal 911 at the moment the MSRP for the 18 way seats is $3,825. Like said already The MSRP is $3,825 in an everyday 911. The MSRP is $1,145 for the 18 way seats for the Twin Turbo And Finally when you hit the TTS the cost of the Seats are 0 (Membership has it's privileges). Then they give you a Handshake a Pat on the back and say, "Welcome to the club ole chap". Traffic will split THE 405 Freeway like you are Moses and 93 Octane will be sold in California at the pump, all diseases will be cured and it will be all owed to the chap who bought that car.
Hmm I never said who or which Turbo they bought. And I still even missed the When, Where,Why (and sometimes) How! Genius not at work or at play in this post at the moment.
Last edited by The New 911; 11-09-2015 at 01:15 PM.
11-09-2015, 01:27 PM
#21
WRONG!!
I wish the OP would post each TT and TTS configuration. I have done this countless times and the TT optioned as a TTS is always more expensive. Let's forego whether one likes/needs all of the these base options that create a Turbo S
Historically Porsche charged about $18,000 for the x50 package which was less than a 40 hp gain. Everything else can be itemized and for simplicity we'll assume other options that are priced less for the S then the non-S Turbo are excluded. No extra leather, radio upgrades, painted doo-dads, etc.
Turbo Base Price $151,100
Turbo S HP gain $ 18,000 (conservative assumption. I know aftermarket mods are less)
PCCB $ 9,210
Sport Chrono $ 4,090
CL Wheels $ 3,835
PDDC $ 3,160
CF Interior Pkg $ 2,620
LED Headlights $ 2,340
18-way Seats $ 1,145
Sport Mirrors $ 600
Total $196,100 Turbo with options versus $182,700 for a Turbo S.
The Turbo S is $13,400 less before adding any non-standard Turbo S options. Yep, that's $45,000 in options that makes a Turbo a Turbo S (for comparison I excluded the exhaust tips and fuel filler cap).
I wish the OP would post each TT and TTS configuration. I have done this countless times and the TT optioned as a TTS is always more expensive. Let's forego whether one likes/needs all of the these base options that create a Turbo S
Historically Porsche charged about $18,000 for the x50 package which was less than a 40 hp gain. Everything else can be itemized and for simplicity we'll assume other options that are priced less for the S then the non-S Turbo are excluded. No extra leather, radio upgrades, painted doo-dads, etc.
Turbo Base Price $151,100
Turbo S HP gain $ 18,000 (conservative assumption. I know aftermarket mods are less)
PCCB $ 9,210
Sport Chrono $ 4,090
CL Wheels $ 3,835
PDDC $ 3,160
CF Interior Pkg $ 2,620
LED Headlights $ 2,340
18-way Seats $ 1,145
Sport Mirrors $ 600
Total $196,100 Turbo with options versus $182,700 for a Turbo S.
The Turbo S is $13,400 less before adding any non-standard Turbo S options. Yep, that's $45,000 in options that makes a Turbo a Turbo S (for comparison I excluded the exhaust tips and fuel filler cap).
11-11-2015, 12:38 PM
#22
WRONG!!
I wish the OP would post each TT and TTS configuration. I have done this countless times and the TT optioned as a TTS is always more expensive. Let's forego whether one likes/needs all of the these base options that create a Turbo S
Historically Porsche charged about $18,000 for the x50 package which was less than a 40 hp gain. Everything else can be itemized and for simplicity we'll assume other options that are priced less for the S then the non-S Turbo are excluded. No extra leather, radio upgrades, painted doo-dads, etc.
Turbo Base Price $151,100
Turbo S HP gain $ 18,000 (conservative assumption. I know aftermarket mods are less)
PCCB $ 9,210
Sport Chrono $ 4,090
CL Wheels $ 3,835
PDDC $ 3,160
CF Interior Pkg $ 2,620
LED Headlights $ 2,340
18-way Seats $ 1,145
Sport Mirrors $ 600
Total $196,100 Turbo with options versus $182,700 for a Turbo S.
The Turbo S is $13,400 less before adding any non-standard Turbo S options. Yep, that's $45,000 in options that makes a Turbo a Turbo S (for comparison I excluded the exhaust tips and fuel filler cap).
I wish the OP would post each TT and TTS configuration. I have done this countless times and the TT optioned as a TTS is always more expensive. Let's forego whether one likes/needs all of the these base options that create a Turbo S
Historically Porsche charged about $18,000 for the x50 package which was less than a 40 hp gain. Everything else can be itemized and for simplicity we'll assume other options that are priced less for the S then the non-S Turbo are excluded. No extra leather, radio upgrades, painted doo-dads, etc.
Turbo Base Price $151,100
Turbo S HP gain $ 18,000 (conservative assumption. I know aftermarket mods are less)
PCCB $ 9,210
Sport Chrono $ 4,090
CL Wheels $ 3,835
PDDC $ 3,160
CF Interior Pkg $ 2,620
LED Headlights $ 2,340
18-way Seats $ 1,145
Sport Mirrors $ 600
Total $196,100 Turbo with options versus $182,700 for a Turbo S.
The Turbo S is $13,400 less before adding any non-standard Turbo S options. Yep, that's $45,000 in options that makes a Turbo a Turbo S (for comparison I excluded the exhaust tips and fuel filler cap).
11-11-2015, 01:32 PM
#23
Base Price 911 Turbo S
991450
$182,700
Price for Equipment
$34,640
Destination Charge
$995
Total Price*
$218,335
Exterior Color
Exterior Paint to Sample, Non-Metallic
98
$5,500
Packages
Burmester® High-End Infotainment Package
P3M
$3,500
6-disc CD/DVD Changer
$0
Burmester® High-End Surround Sound System
$0
Online Services
$0
Premium Package Plus
P3L
$1,860
Seat Ventilation (Front)
$0
Porsche Entry & Drive
$0
ParkAssist (Front and Rear) with Reversing Camera
$0
Exterior
Model Designation "911"
911
$0
Clear Glass Taillights Exclusive
XXG
$830
Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof in Glass
653
$1,990
Performance
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
250
$0
Power Steering Plus
658
$270
Wheels
20" 911 Turbo Wheels
429
$0
Interior
Adaptive Cruise Control incl. Porsche Active Safe (PAS)
456
$2,490
Light Design Package
630
$510
Rear Footwell Lighting Exclusive
CEE
$430
Adaptive Sport Seats Plus (18-way) with Memory Package
P07
$0
Seat Heating (Front)
342
$0
Smoking Package
583
$0
Luggage Net in Passenger Footwell
581
$0
fire extinguisher
509
$140
Instrument Dials in Racing Yellow Exclusive
XFR
$860
Sport Chrono Clock Dial in Racing Yellow Exclusive
CGE
$500
Seat Belts in Racing Yellow Exclusive
XHN
$540
Interior Leather
Leather Interior Package Exclusive
EEA
$0
Center Console Trim in Leather Exclusive
XHB
$0
PCM Display Surround in Leather Exclusive
CUR
$2,225
Extended Interior Package, Dashboard Trim in Leather Exclusive
CZW
$1,720
Extended Interior Package, Door Panel in Leather Exclusive
CXM
$690
Extended Interior Package, Rear in Leather Exclusive
CXN
$1,545
Rear Center Tunnel in Leather with Decorative Stitching Exclusive
XHS
$1,190
Fuse Box Covers in Leather Exclusive
CUJ
$380
Instrument Surround in Leather Exclusive
XNG
$370
Steering Column Casing in Leather Exclusive
XNS
$465
Sun Visors in Leather Exclusive
XMP
$575
Storage Compartment Lid with Porsche Crest Exclusive
XPT
$330
Sport Seats Plus Backrest Trim in Leather Exclusive
XWL
$600
Porsche Crest on Headrests Exclusive
XSC
$285
Inner Door-Sill Guards in Leather Exclusive
XTG
$1,190
Belt Outlet Trim in Leather Exclusive
CTH
$550
Interior Aluminum
Pedals and Footrest in Aluminum Exclusive
EFA
$625
Door-Sill Guards in Stainless Steel, Illuminated Exclusive
XXB
$900
Audio and Communications
Telephone Module
666
$265
Bluetooth® Handset for Telephone Module
669
$665
Electronic Logbook
641
$650
Total Price:*
$218,335
There ya go for the TTS. I have an TT config but I added PCCBs just to keep it fair. In reality I would not have ordered PCCB brakes just because Its an over priced option.
But to get a Normal 911 Turbo up to snuff like this one many options would have to be paid for... Hence like in the case of the PCCB's.
For the same Options where SELECTABLE (Caveat) the price in options to match the 911 991 TTS is $58,135. Options for the TTS is $34,640 and you have just seen the TT is $58,135! That is what about a 40% reduction in cost in options just by ordering the S model?
By the way the cost of the 911 991 TT is just $210,230 with PCCBs which were added to make the comparison fair. Normally I would not add them.
So for $8K more would someone pay the extra cash?
I read where someone mentioned that the typical S models are Chariots Laden with option's compared to the usual bespoke ordered non S model. Imagine why the S model's on the second hand market carry a good premium because of all the add ons added on top of the price of the car because S owner's have the money to fling around. Where as the TT owner orders less options because they are more conservative in nature and order less options, and the non S can be ordered with more options compared to the S but it depends on what options that are ordered! Not necessarily because they cannot afford the S models. Heck the TT starts at $151K and the TTS starts at $31K more. But those prices are deceptive because if you are going to order the hell out of the options the TTS many of those options that would cost money on the TT are cost nothing on the TTS.
991450
$182,700
Price for Equipment
$34,640
Destination Charge
$995
Total Price*
$218,335
Exterior Color
Exterior Paint to Sample, Non-Metallic
98
$5,500
Packages
Burmester® High-End Infotainment Package
P3M
$3,500
6-disc CD/DVD Changer
$0
Burmester® High-End Surround Sound System
$0
Online Services
$0
Premium Package Plus
P3L
$1,860
Seat Ventilation (Front)
$0
Porsche Entry & Drive
$0
ParkAssist (Front and Rear) with Reversing Camera
$0
Exterior
Model Designation "911"
911
$0
Clear Glass Taillights Exclusive
XXG
$830
Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof in Glass
653
$1,990
Performance
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
250
$0
Power Steering Plus
658
$270
Wheels
20" 911 Turbo Wheels
429
$0
Interior
Adaptive Cruise Control incl. Porsche Active Safe (PAS)
456
$2,490
Light Design Package
630
$510
Rear Footwell Lighting Exclusive
CEE
$430
Adaptive Sport Seats Plus (18-way) with Memory Package
P07
$0
Seat Heating (Front)
342
$0
Smoking Package
583
$0
Luggage Net in Passenger Footwell
581
$0
fire extinguisher
509
$140
Instrument Dials in Racing Yellow Exclusive
XFR
$860
Sport Chrono Clock Dial in Racing Yellow Exclusive
CGE
$500
Seat Belts in Racing Yellow Exclusive
XHN
$540
Interior Leather
Leather Interior Package Exclusive
EEA
$0
Center Console Trim in Leather Exclusive
XHB
$0
PCM Display Surround in Leather Exclusive
CUR
$2,225
Extended Interior Package, Dashboard Trim in Leather Exclusive
CZW
$1,720
Extended Interior Package, Door Panel in Leather Exclusive
CXM
$690
Extended Interior Package, Rear in Leather Exclusive
CXN
$1,545
Rear Center Tunnel in Leather with Decorative Stitching Exclusive
XHS
$1,190
Fuse Box Covers in Leather Exclusive
CUJ
$380
Instrument Surround in Leather Exclusive
XNG
$370
Steering Column Casing in Leather Exclusive
XNS
$465
Sun Visors in Leather Exclusive
XMP
$575
Storage Compartment Lid with Porsche Crest Exclusive
XPT
$330
Sport Seats Plus Backrest Trim in Leather Exclusive
XWL
$600
Porsche Crest on Headrests Exclusive
XSC
$285
Inner Door-Sill Guards in Leather Exclusive
XTG
$1,190
Belt Outlet Trim in Leather Exclusive
CTH
$550
Interior Aluminum
Pedals and Footrest in Aluminum Exclusive
EFA
$625
Door-Sill Guards in Stainless Steel, Illuminated Exclusive
XXB
$900
Audio and Communications
Telephone Module
666
$265
Bluetooth® Handset for Telephone Module
669
$665
Electronic Logbook
641
$650
Total Price:*
$218,335
There ya go for the TTS. I have an TT config but I added PCCBs just to keep it fair. In reality I would not have ordered PCCB brakes just because Its an over priced option.
But to get a Normal 911 Turbo up to snuff like this one many options would have to be paid for... Hence like in the case of the PCCB's.
For the same Options where SELECTABLE (Caveat) the price in options to match the 911 991 TTS is $58,135. Options for the TTS is $34,640 and you have just seen the TT is $58,135! That is what about a 40% reduction in cost in options just by ordering the S model?
By the way the cost of the 911 991 TT is just $210,230 with PCCBs which were added to make the comparison fair. Normally I would not add them.
So for $8K more would someone pay the extra cash?
I read where someone mentioned that the typical S models are Chariots Laden with option's compared to the usual bespoke ordered non S model. Imagine why the S model's on the second hand market carry a good premium because of all the add ons added on top of the price of the car because S owner's have the money to fling around. Where as the TT owner orders less options because they are more conservative in nature and order less options, and the non S can be ordered with more options compared to the S but it depends on what options that are ordered! Not necessarily because they cannot afford the S models. Heck the TT starts at $151K and the TTS starts at $31K more. But those prices are deceptive because if you are going to order the hell out of the options the TTS many of those options that would cost money on the TT are cost nothing on the TTS.
Last edited by The New 911; 11-12-2015 at 12:29 PM.
11-12-2015, 12:46 PM
#24
Nice option list, but all you did was select a lot of doo-dads that would cost the same whether they were put on a Turbo or Turbo S and each option selected is an additional cost on either car.
You are still comparing slightly different apples. When you get to a larger computer screen and build out the Turbo to the 'S' specification and then add the above options, you will have a pricier Turbo than Turbo S. In your summary above you added PCCB to the base Turbo but that alone does not make a Turbo S
Before you (or maybe it should have been I) reply with more #$%^, consider Turbos are always less expensive than Turbo S models... unless you are trying to create a Turbo S from Turbo
11-13-2015, 05:20 PM
#25
The excercise was to see how much of a difference the cost would be between the TT and the TTS. And the options on the TTS are what I would order on a TT except the PCCBs. Pretty much full leather options with stitching options available not on the configurator. PTS would be Arena Red and interior would be Garnet Red with Racing Yellow options where available.
But by the time all the boxes have been ticked many of the options are free. Which makes the difference in prices when I added PCCBs to the TT build so close in price. Many of the leather options are no cost for the TTS, PCCBs, 18 way seats so on and so forth.
Remember I was trying to get both build as close alike as possible. And for about $10K might as well get the TTS. But thats never going to happen.
But by the time all the boxes have been ticked many of the options are free. Which makes the difference in prices when I added PCCBs to the TT build so close in price. Many of the leather options are no cost for the TTS, PCCBs, 18 way seats so on and so forth.
Remember I was trying to get both build as close alike as possible. And for about $10K might as well get the TTS. But thats never going to happen.
11-14-2015, 09:24 AM
#26
Base Price 911 Turbo S
991450
$182,700
Price for Equipment
$34,640
Destination Charge
$995
Total Price*
$218,335
Exterior Color
Exterior Paint to Sample, Non-Metallic
98
$5,500
Packages
Burmester® High-End Infotainment Package
P3M
$3,500
6-disc CD/DVD Changer
$0
Burmester® High-End Surround Sound System
$0
Online Services
$0
Premium Package Plus
P3L
$1,860
Seat Ventilation (Front)
$0
Porsche Entry & Drive
$0
ParkAssist (Front and Rear) with Reversing Camera
$0
Exterior
Model Designation "911"
911
$0
Clear Glass Taillights Exclusive
XXG
$830
Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof in Glass
653
$1,990
Performance
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
250
$0
Power Steering Plus
658
$270
Wheels
20" 911 Turbo Wheels
429
$0
Interior
Adaptive Cruise Control incl. Porsche Active Safe (PAS)
456
$2,490
Light Design Package
630
$510
Rear Footwell Lighting Exclusive
CEE
$430
Adaptive Sport Seats Plus (18-way) with Memory Package
P07
$0
Seat Heating (Front)
342
$0
Smoking Package
583
$0
Luggage Net in Passenger Footwell
581
$0
fire extinguisher
509
$140
Instrument Dials in Racing Yellow Exclusive
XFR
$860
Sport Chrono Clock Dial in Racing Yellow Exclusive
CGE
$500
Seat Belts in Racing Yellow Exclusive
XHN
$540
Interior Leather
Leather Interior Package Exclusive
EEA
$0
Center Console Trim in Leather Exclusive
XHB
$0
PCM Display Surround in Leather Exclusive
CUR
$2,225
Extended Interior Package, Dashboard Trim in Leather Exclusive
CZW
$1,720
Extended Interior Package, Door Panel in Leather Exclusive
CXM
$690
Extended Interior Package, Rear in Leather Exclusive
CXN
$1,545
Rear Center Tunnel in Leather with Decorative Stitching Exclusive
XHS
$1,190
Fuse Box Covers in Leather Exclusive
CUJ
$380
Instrument Surround in Leather Exclusive
XNG
$370
Steering Column Casing in Leather Exclusive
XNS
$465
Sun Visors in Leather Exclusive
XMP
$575
Storage Compartment Lid with Porsche Crest Exclusive
XPT
$330
Sport Seats Plus Backrest Trim in Leather Exclusive
XWL
$600
Porsche Crest on Headrests Exclusive
XSC
$285
Inner Door-Sill Guards in Leather Exclusive
XTG
$1,190
Belt Outlet Trim in Leather Exclusive
CTH
$550
Interior Aluminum
Pedals and Footrest in Aluminum Exclusive
EFA
$625
Door-Sill Guards in Stainless Steel, Illuminated Exclusive
XXB
$900
Audio and Communications
Telephone Module
666
$265
Bluetooth® Handset for Telephone Module
669
$665
Electronic Logbook
641
$650
Total Price:*
$218,335
There ya go for the TTS. I have an TT config but I added PCCBs just to keep it fair. In reality I would not have ordered PCCB brakes just because Its an over priced option.
But to get a Normal 911 Turbo up to snuff like this one many options would have to be paid for... Hence like in the case of the PCCB's.
For the same Options where SELECTABLE (Caveat) the price in options to match the 911 991 TTS is $58,135. Options for the TTS is $34,640 and you have just seen the TT is $58,135! That is what about a 40% reduction in cost in options just by ordering the S model?
By the way the cost of the 911 991 TT is just $210,230 with PCCBs which were added to make the comparison fair. Normally I would not add them.
So for $8K more would someone pay the extra cash?
I read where someone mentioned that the typical S models are Chariots Laden with option's compared to the usual bespoke ordered non S model. Imagine why the S model's on the second hand market carry a good premium because of all the add ons added on top of the price of the car because S owner's have the money to fling around. Where as the TT owner orders less options because they are more conservative in nature and order less options, and the non S can be ordered with more options compared to the S but it depends on what options that are ordered! Not necessarily because they cannot afford the S models. Heck the TT starts at $151K and the TTS starts at $31K more. But those prices are deceptive because if you are going to order the hell out of the options the TTS many of those options that would cost money on the TT are cost nothing on the TTS.
991450
$182,700
Price for Equipment
$34,640
Destination Charge
$995
Total Price*
$218,335
Exterior Color
Exterior Paint to Sample, Non-Metallic
98
$5,500
Packages
Burmester® High-End Infotainment Package
P3M
$3,500
6-disc CD/DVD Changer
$0
Burmester® High-End Surround Sound System
$0
Online Services
$0
Premium Package Plus
P3L
$1,860
Seat Ventilation (Front)
$0
Porsche Entry & Drive
$0
ParkAssist (Front and Rear) with Reversing Camera
$0
Exterior
Model Designation "911"
911
$0
Clear Glass Taillights Exclusive
XXG
$830
Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof in Glass
653
$1,990
Performance
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
250
$0
Power Steering Plus
658
$270
Wheels
20" 911 Turbo Wheels
429
$0
Interior
Adaptive Cruise Control incl. Porsche Active Safe (PAS)
456
$2,490
Light Design Package
630
$510
Rear Footwell Lighting Exclusive
CEE
$430
Adaptive Sport Seats Plus (18-way) with Memory Package
P07
$0
Seat Heating (Front)
342
$0
Smoking Package
583
$0
Luggage Net in Passenger Footwell
581
$0
fire extinguisher
509
$140
Instrument Dials in Racing Yellow Exclusive
XFR
$860
Sport Chrono Clock Dial in Racing Yellow Exclusive
CGE
$500
Seat Belts in Racing Yellow Exclusive
XHN
$540
Interior Leather
Leather Interior Package Exclusive
EEA
$0
Center Console Trim in Leather Exclusive
XHB
$0
PCM Display Surround in Leather Exclusive
CUR
$2,225
Extended Interior Package, Dashboard Trim in Leather Exclusive
CZW
$1,720
Extended Interior Package, Door Panel in Leather Exclusive
CXM
$690
Extended Interior Package, Rear in Leather Exclusive
CXN
$1,545
Rear Center Tunnel in Leather with Decorative Stitching Exclusive
XHS
$1,190
Fuse Box Covers in Leather Exclusive
CUJ
$380
Instrument Surround in Leather Exclusive
XNG
$370
Steering Column Casing in Leather Exclusive
XNS
$465
Sun Visors in Leather Exclusive
XMP
$575
Storage Compartment Lid with Porsche Crest Exclusive
XPT
$330
Sport Seats Plus Backrest Trim in Leather Exclusive
XWL
$600
Porsche Crest on Headrests Exclusive
XSC
$285
Inner Door-Sill Guards in Leather Exclusive
XTG
$1,190
Belt Outlet Trim in Leather Exclusive
CTH
$550
Interior Aluminum
Pedals and Footrest in Aluminum Exclusive
EFA
$625
Door-Sill Guards in Stainless Steel, Illuminated Exclusive
XXB
$900
Audio and Communications
Telephone Module
666
$265
Bluetooth® Handset for Telephone Module
669
$665
Electronic Logbook
641
$650
Total Price:*
$218,335
There ya go for the TTS. I have an TT config but I added PCCBs just to keep it fair. In reality I would not have ordered PCCB brakes just because Its an over priced option.
But to get a Normal 911 Turbo up to snuff like this one many options would have to be paid for... Hence like in the case of the PCCB's.
For the same Options where SELECTABLE (Caveat) the price in options to match the 911 991 TTS is $58,135. Options for the TTS is $34,640 and you have just seen the TT is $58,135! That is what about a 40% reduction in cost in options just by ordering the S model?
By the way the cost of the 911 991 TT is just $210,230 with PCCBs which were added to make the comparison fair. Normally I would not add them.
So for $8K more would someone pay the extra cash?
I read where someone mentioned that the typical S models are Chariots Laden with option's compared to the usual bespoke ordered non S model. Imagine why the S model's on the second hand market carry a good premium because of all the add ons added on top of the price of the car because S owner's have the money to fling around. Where as the TT owner orders less options because they are more conservative in nature and order less options, and the non S can be ordered with more options compared to the S but it depends on what options that are ordered! Not necessarily because they cannot afford the S models. Heck the TT starts at $151K and the TTS starts at $31K more. But those prices are deceptive because if you are going to order the hell out of the options the TTS many of those options that would cost money on the TT are cost nothing on the TTS.
You forgot the center locks.
11-14-2015, 09:44 AM
#27
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WRONG!!
I wish the OP would post each TT and TTS configuration. I have done this countless times and the TT optioned as a TTS is always more expensive. Let's forego whether one likes/needs all of the these base options that create a Turbo S
Historically Porsche charged about $18,000 for the x50 package which was less than a 40 hp gain. Everything else can be itemized and for simplicity we'll assume other options that are priced less for the S then the non-S Turbo are excluded. No extra leather, radio upgrades, painted doo-dads, etc.
Turbo Base Price $151,100
Turbo S HP gain $ 18,000 (conservative assumption. I know aftermarket mods are less)
PCCB $ 9,210
Sport Chrono $ 4,090
CL Wheels $ 3,835
PDDC $ 3,160
CF Interior Pkg $ 2,620
LED Headlights $ 2,340
18-way Seats $ 1,145
Sport Mirrors $ 600
Total $196,100 Turbo with options versus $182,700 for a Turbo S.
The Turbo S is $13,400 less before adding any non-standard Turbo S options. Yep, that's $45,000 in options that makes a Turbo a Turbo S (for comparison I excluded the exhaust tips and fuel filler cap).
I wish the OP would post each TT and TTS configuration. I have done this countless times and the TT optioned as a TTS is always more expensive. Let's forego whether one likes/needs all of the these base options that create a Turbo S
Historically Porsche charged about $18,000 for the x50 package which was less than a 40 hp gain. Everything else can be itemized and for simplicity we'll assume other options that are priced less for the S then the non-S Turbo are excluded. No extra leather, radio upgrades, painted doo-dads, etc.
Turbo Base Price $151,100
Turbo S HP gain $ 18,000 (conservative assumption. I know aftermarket mods are less)
PCCB $ 9,210
Sport Chrono $ 4,090
CL Wheels $ 3,835
PDDC $ 3,160
CF Interior Pkg $ 2,620
LED Headlights $ 2,340
18-way Seats $ 1,145
Sport Mirrors $ 600
Total $196,100 Turbo with options versus $182,700 for a Turbo S.
The Turbo S is $13,400 less before adding any non-standard Turbo S options. Yep, that's $45,000 in options that makes a Turbo a Turbo S (for comparison I excluded the exhaust tips and fuel filler cap).
Lastly it is so tough to do this comparison because it all depends on what the dealer has sitting around and what he is willing to deal on the most.
I guess we could all just do this exercise based on a configurator and be done but that is not reality when someone actually purchases the two different cars.
11-14-2015, 09:59 AM
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That's all well and good, if all those "included for free" items that come on a TTS are really wanted options on a TT. If true, by all means the TTS has value added
In my case, factoring out unwanted "free" options on my TT Cab, ended up with ~$30k in my pocket. Still got 18 way, espresso cognac premium leather, sport mirrors, LEDs and sport chrono.
If the 40hp is missed, throwing a Cobb tune and 200cel cats onto it will more than make up the difference.....and I'd still have $25K left.
Get what you want if you are lucky enough to have this as a dilemma! No extra merit badges or ***** enlargers get issued for having an "S"....both are great cars.
In my case, factoring out unwanted "free" options on my TT Cab, ended up with ~$30k in my pocket. Still got 18 way, espresso cognac premium leather, sport mirrors, LEDs and sport chrono.
If the 40hp is missed, throwing a Cobb tune and 200cel cats onto it will more than make up the difference.....and I'd still have $25K left.
Get what you want if you are lucky enough to have this as a dilemma! No extra merit badges or ***** enlargers get issued for having an "S"....both are great cars.
11-14-2015, 06:39 PM
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