Vifa

Hi,

Any thoughts on how the new generations of turbo fitted Carreras will affect the Turbo model and what it would be like ?

Best Regards
Vifa

sdg1871

My take on it is that Porsche will have to give a nice power increase to the 911 turbo and Turbo S models so that you can't tune the non "turbo" turbos to the same power levels. But I would think a good tuner will be able to increase power on these new base models with turbos substantially. The tuners must be salivating for these cars to come out.

GrandLaker

Be nice to see the 4.0 used. If that happened easily see 630HP I would imagine. But the car is already so stupid fast now!

FORENN

I wondered about this when I bought my 1TTS. With a 3.0L engine, how close do you think tuners will be able to get the new 991.2 to a current 991 Turbo or TTS?

speed21

I think we will be pretty safe. I do note though that the Carrera can be optioned with 4ws and has the 10mm lower sports chassis as standard now, so the car can certainly be made to drive very well in terms of handling. Also the turbo S is still the flagship so can't see there being any real issues up against these new carreras, as good as Im sure they will be. I think our main concern will be how much power does the 4.0 base turbo get. That could cause some problems.

HassaanAbdeen

My thoughts:
1) the Carrera will not get close to the turbo with it's 3.0 engine. But yes, get ready to see the turbo emblem stamped on the backs of some.
2) the exhaust sound of the Carrera really sounds good with the turbo
3) the most important thing for me, when can we have our PCM replaced with the Apple Car Play?

Visceral

We see a lot of modern DFI cars using turbochargers that are closer to their CFM limits than in the past.

This stands to reason since the smaller turbo will allow a smaller displacement to develop torque at a lower RPM. DFI is not as prone to detonation due to the less efficient side of the turbocharger efficiency either, and so overall we are seeing much smaller turbos being used than 10 years ago.

In the end this means that cars like these Porsches will be tunable for more midrange, but I doubt there will be massive gains on the peak HP side. Maybe 475-500, but certainly not 560+.

sdg1871

I am guessing about 500 bhp on stock turbos if heavily modded (exhaust/no cats/intercoolers/Y pipe/plenum),

redlightrich

It makes you wonder how the marketing people will spin this. For most of my life a turbo 911 was the king. The top of the 911 range. Now, the base will be a turbo 911, which may dilute the 911 TT and TTS.

Yes, the base 3.0 will be tuned, as to not go near the TT and TTS levels ( think Cayman vs 911) but none the less, the words Turbo were distinct for the top dog!!

I don't think that the power level alone gave the 911 Turbo it's mystique, the turbo added something exotic and special to the mix. Adding turbo to the base may be necessary for Porsche to advance, but I hope it doesn't hurt the king in the process. I can't help think it will make the TT slightly less special. Perhaps Porsche will offer something that can only be spec'd on the top line model. Something so special that no one can ignore it.

So, lets see how Porsche marketing people make this work!!

HassaanAbdeen

I heard that Porsche may be releasing Carrera turbo & Carrera turbo S.

If they do, then the 911 turbo (benchmark) is over. I won't be surprised if they'll be no generation to follow the 991 turbo then.

Winegums

I wouldn't really worry about tuned 991.2 C

There's first the issue of cracking the ECU which is a brand new Seimens unit. Porsche will be relying heavily on the encryption as that's the only thing seperating the base and S variants.

Secondly there's the issue of displacement and hardware limits. I suspect (as others have also said), that Porsche has the turbos or other components running at near their max. I would not be comfortable modding my new 991.2 C and voiding the warranty to compete with it's bigger brother. There's no replacement for displacement and the Turbo will always have that edge. So if you're really uncomfortable about a tuned 991.2 C being faster, then tune your turbo.

Third Porsche isn't going to be concerned about tuned variants of their car when specing their line up. They're more concerned about how their cars stack up against the competition as that is what determines sales. The Turbo and Turbo S will NOT be built to compete with tuned variants of the Carrera, and more than likely will be out of reach of the 3.0L engine anyways.

FORENN

There will always be something better and faster coming out. No need for concern imo, it's better to just enjoy the rocket ride.

MJM911

Here is a link to the report: http://gtspirit.com/2015/09/20/facel...urrent-engine/

speed21

Well that throws a spin on things and it's good to hear the .2 will have the same engine and not the 4.0 as previously stated. Possibly Porsche has had a marketing rethink and come to the reckoning there would be too much damage to .1's resale values if they released an entirely new larger capacity engine in a gen 2 car. Gen 2 is always better but a new 4.0 engine is a very large step.

FORENN

Without more displacement, the 991.2 TT/TTS will be only marginally better. The styling/aesthetic changes mean nothing to me. Glad I pulled the trigger and didn't wait.