Why less activity here than on 991 GT3 forum?
12-11-2014, 09:58 AM
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I have wondered about the OP's question as well.
Speed 21's point about the TT/TTS being well sorted could be one reason, although aside from the engine fix on the 991 GT3, it is also well sorted. Perhaps the GT3 folks are on track a lot more so maintenance is more urgent. The GT3 is a more emotive machine to many, what with the lower stance, spoilers and terrific sound. Not sure if the GT3 set is an older demographic, as I have met more than a few 997 and 991 GT3 owners who are well north of 50 and most of them never put their cars on the track, which is a pity. In fact several say that they only take their cars out on sunny weekend afternoons and own them as collectors. They have been a decent investment even in the short term. I have not visited the GT3 forum much at all and check in here to learn about the TTS and share my experience with it. The visits have been extremely instructive and the members most helpful. I received some potent advice from a couple of GT3 members on the CL question I posted on the TT forum. Maybe the GT3 owners are more hands-on with their cars that TT owners so have more details to share.
Speed 21's point about the TT/TTS being well sorted could be one reason, although aside from the engine fix on the 991 GT3, it is also well sorted. Perhaps the GT3 folks are on track a lot more so maintenance is more urgent. The GT3 is a more emotive machine to many, what with the lower stance, spoilers and terrific sound. Not sure if the GT3 set is an older demographic, as I have met more than a few 997 and 991 GT3 owners who are well north of 50 and most of them never put their cars on the track, which is a pity. In fact several say that they only take their cars out on sunny weekend afternoons and own them as collectors. They have been a decent investment even in the short term. I have not visited the GT3 forum much at all and check in here to learn about the TTS and share my experience with it. The visits have been extremely instructive and the members most helpful. I received some potent advice from a couple of GT3 members on the CL question I posted on the TT forum. Maybe the GT3 owners are more hands-on with their cars that TT owners so have more details to share.
12-11-2014, 07:24 PM
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There are three times as many guests as forum members surfing the forum at any given moment. I believe the majority of them are more interested in the GT3 since there was so much hype about the car. And to be honest it does look pretty sick.
They just dont' realize that the better car is the TT.
They just dont' realize that the better car is the TT.
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12-12-2014, 08:54 PM
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I think the main reason there's far less activity on the Turbo forum vs. GT3, is the 991 turbo isn't that much of a departure from the 997.2 Turbo, whereas the 991 GT3 is a big step forward over the 997 GT3. Thus, the 991 Turbo didn't generate a rush of interest.
For example, the 997.2 Gen Turbo S is as fast or faster than the 991 Turbo S up to 60mph and 1/4 mile, and thus the 997.2 got big hype for its 0-60 times of 2.6-2.8 seconds in its heyday, whereas similar performance of the 991 TTS doesn't elicit much added interest today. Both cars also look pretty similar, with little stylistically to differentiate them.
No doubt the 991 TTS is a formidable machine and multi-talented, but so too was the 997.2 TTS. People tend to be more enthused about something new on the block, and the 991 GT3 fits that bill moreso, IMHO.
For example, the 997.2 Gen Turbo S is as fast or faster than the 991 Turbo S up to 60mph and 1/4 mile, and thus the 997.2 got big hype for its 0-60 times of 2.6-2.8 seconds in its heyday, whereas similar performance of the 991 TTS doesn't elicit much added interest today. Both cars also look pretty similar, with little stylistically to differentiate them.
No doubt the 991 TTS is a formidable machine and multi-talented, but so too was the 997.2 TTS. People tend to be more enthused about something new on the block, and the 991 GT3 fits that bill moreso, IMHO.
12-12-2014, 11:01 PM
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The 991 TT/TTS are incredible cars....as I have said over on 991 GT3, I just don't think as a overall majority that TT owners are as engaged as enthusiast like the GT3 owners are (991 TT/TTS RL members not included in this, but you all make up a very small percentage of total owners). It is more of an owner base observation than a knock against the car. My track use pushed me the GT3 route but I drove a TTS for almost 2 months and I can't say enough good things about it (only wish it shed some lbs). I applaud the owners on here that enjoy discussing the car and wish there were more of you out there but the fact remains that a big % of the buyers just want the fastest, most expensive 911 offered by Porsche for the image perception, not the enthusiast factor.
12-13-2014, 01:42 AM
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The 991GT3 forum is very active because it is a different breed of owner. Minimalist 911 drivers along with a good mix of track ******.
Same deal with the 997GT3 forum....
Same deal with the 997GT3 forum....
12-13-2014, 10:20 AM
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I think the main reason there's far less activity on the Turbo forum vs. GT3, is the 991 turbo isn't that much of a departure from the 997.2 Turbo, whereas the 991 GT3 is a big step forward over the 997 GT3. Thus, the 991 Turbo didn't generate a rush of interest.
For example, the 997.2 Gen Turbo S is as fast or faster than the 991 Turbo S up to 60mph and 1/4 mile, and thus the 997.2 got big hype for its 0-60 times of 2.6-2.8 seconds in its heyday, whereas similar performance of the 991 TTS doesn't elicit much added interest today. Both cars also look pretty similar, with little stylistically to differentiate them.
No doubt the 991 TTS is a formidable machine and multi-talented, but so too was the 997.2 TTS. People tend to be more enthused about something new on the block, and the 991 GT3 fits that bill moreso, IMHO.
For example, the 997.2 Gen Turbo S is as fast or faster than the 991 Turbo S up to 60mph and 1/4 mile, and thus the 997.2 got big hype for its 0-60 times of 2.6-2.8 seconds in its heyday, whereas similar performance of the 991 TTS doesn't elicit much added interest today. Both cars also look pretty similar, with little stylistically to differentiate them.
No doubt the 991 TTS is a formidable machine and multi-talented, but so too was the 997.2 TTS. People tend to be more enthused about something new on the block, and the 991 GT3 fits that bill moreso, IMHO.
The 991 TT/TTS are incredible cars....as I have said over on 991 GT3, I just don't think as a overall majority that TT owners are as engaged as enthusiast like the GT3 owners are (991 TT/TTS RL members not included in this, but you all make up a very small percentage of total owners). It is more of an owner base observation than a knock against the car. My track use pushed me the GT3 route but I drove a TTS for almost 2 months and I can't say enough good things about it (only wish it shed some lbs). I applaud the owners on here that enjoy discussing the car and wish there were more of you out there but the fact remains that a big % of the buyers just want the fastest, most expensive 911 offered by Porsche for the image perception, not the enthusiast factor.
12-13-2014, 06:55 PM
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I would mostly concur with Andrew P's comments here. Having driven both, and owning two 997 models previous to 991TTS I completely disagree there is insufficient physical and mechanical differences. Being able to modernize the look of 911 and still have it look unmistakably a 911 has been the main success of the car! The number of people I've spoken to about 997 and 991 (both Porsche and non Porsche owners) have ALL commented 991 car has significantly modernized 911 making 997 looking really quite old and dated alongside, particularly gen 1.997. Needless to add just a quick drive of both series back to back in varying road and traffic environments will confirm large improvements made everywhere. That is hard to miss, yet always overlooked by those with no first hand experience.
The 0 to 60 numbers between 997tts and 991tts simply don't reflect the advantages 991 has over 997 and I suspect the same situation would apply with the new 991gt3. I also don't buy any talk that 997tts is "faster" anywhere... and, the same would again apply to 997gt3 up against 991gt3.
The 0 to 60 numbers between 997tts and 991tts simply don't reflect the advantages 991 has over 997 and I suspect the same situation would apply with the new 991gt3. I also don't buy any talk that 997tts is "faster" anywhere... and, the same would again apply to 997gt3 up against 991gt3.
12-15-2014, 04:57 PM
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The only advantage of the 991 turbo over the 997.2 turbo s is one. They made it have automatic head lights.
.......Oh and I guess maybe moving the engine in front of the rear axle helped too.....
Honestly after now owning a .2 turbo S currently and driving the new one. Literally to me that is the only noticeable difference that makes any impact in my life. Yea maybe you can say the interior is nicer. I also like the clock function of the sport chrono for the new porsches.
Other than that they are the same. Look almost the same, perform almost the same, ride almost the same.
EDIT: One more thing, the ventilated/heated seats look way better with a few holes than the new seats with 5 million holes. Also the seat warmer on my .2 turbo s gives me just the right amount of warming while the 991 seat warmers burns my a$$ or is too cold
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.......Oh and I guess maybe moving the engine in front of the rear axle helped too.....
Honestly after now owning a .2 turbo S currently and driving the new one. Literally to me that is the only noticeable difference that makes any impact in my life. Yea maybe you can say the interior is nicer. I also like the clock function of the sport chrono for the new porsches.
Other than that they are the same. Look almost the same, perform almost the same, ride almost the same.
EDIT: One more thing, the ventilated/heated seats look way better with a few holes than the new seats with 5 million holes. Also the seat warmer on my .2 turbo s gives me just the right amount of warming while the 991 seat warmers burns my a$$ or is too cold
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12-15-2014, 04:59 PM
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I would mostly concur with Andrew P's comments here. Having driven both, and owning two 997 models previous to 991TTS I completely disagree there is insufficient physical and mechanical differences. Being able to modernize the look of 911 and still have it look unmistakably a 911 has been the main success of the car! The number of people I've spoken to about 997 and 991 (both Porsche and non Porsche owners) have ALL commented 991 car has significantly modernized 911 making 997 looking really quite old and dated alongside, particularly gen 1.997. Needless to add just a quick drive of both series back to back in varying road and traffic environments will confirm large improvements made everywhere. That is hard to miss, yet always overlooked by those with no first hand experience.
The 0 to 60 numbers between 997tts and 991tts simply don't reflect the advantages 991 has over 997 and I suspect the same situation would apply with the new 991gt3. I also don't buy any talk that 997tts is "faster" anywhere... and, the same would again apply to 997gt3 up against 991gt3.
The 0 to 60 numbers between 997tts and 991tts simply don't reflect the advantages 991 has over 997 and I suspect the same situation would apply with the new 991gt3. I also don't buy any talk that 997tts is "faster" anywhere... and, the same would again apply to 997gt3 up against 991gt3.
12-15-2014, 06:16 PM
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The only advantage of the 991 turbo over the 997.2 turbo s is one. They made it have automatic head lights.
.......Oh and I guess maybe moving the engine in front of the rear axle helped too.....
Honestly after now owning a .2 turbo S currently and driving the new one. Literally to me that is the only noticeable difference that makes any impact in my life. Yea maybe you can say the interior is nicer. I also like the clock function of the sport chrono for the new porsches.
Other than that they are the same. Look almost the same, perform almost the same, ride almost the same.
EDIT: One more thing, the ventilated/heated seats look way better
with a few holes than the new seats with 5 million holes. Also the seat warmer on my .2 turbo s gives me just the right amount of warming while the 991 seat warmers burns my a$$ or is too cold .
Keep telling yourself all that, and at least one person might believe it...
12-15-2014, 08:27 PM
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Gunner don't worry man the minority of diehards will always cling to their justifications in a bid to refute their car as been relegated. Actually, to read these were the only notable differences indicts he is ham fisted as a driver and, blind with his visual observations. Quite amusing.... Oh, but 991 gt3 made big steps, 991TTS not so 
12-15-2014, 09:02 PM
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The only advantage of the 991 turbo over the 997.2 turbo s is one. They made it have automatic head lights.
.......Oh and I guess maybe moving the engine in front of the rear axle helped too.....
Honestly after now owning a .2 turbo S currently and driving the new one. Literally to me that is the only noticeable difference that makes any impact in my life. Yea maybe you can say the interior is nicer. I also like the clock function of the sport chrono for the new porsches.
Other than that they are the same. Look almost the same, perform almost the same, ride almost the same.
EDIT: One more thing, the ventilated/heated seats look way better with a few holes than the new seats with 5 million holes. Also the seat warmer on my .2 turbo s gives me just the right amount of warming while the 991 seat warmers burns my a$$ or is too cold.
.......Oh and I guess maybe moving the engine in front of the rear axle helped too.....
Honestly after now owning a .2 turbo S currently and driving the new one. Literally to me that is the only noticeable difference that makes any impact in my life. Yea maybe you can say the interior is nicer. I also like the clock function of the sport chrono for the new porsches.
Other than that they are the same. Look almost the same, perform almost the same, ride almost the same.
EDIT: One more thing, the ventilated/heated seats look way better with a few holes than the new seats with 5 million holes. Also the seat warmer on my .2 turbo s gives me just the right amount of warming while the 991 seat warmers burns my a$$ or is too cold
.Wow...really? I owned a .2 TTS and I was blown away by new TTS. After listening to a friend rant and rave about the 991 TTS I agreed to watch over his car while he was out of town for a couple months and from my point of view it was a game changer for me, enough so that I'm adding one to my garage...... It was not because of auto headlights either!? You need to actually drive one not just look inside of the car?
12-15-2014, 10:11 PM
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Wow...really? I owned a .2 TTS and I was blown away by new TTS. After listening to a friend rant and rave about the 991 TTS I agreed to watch over his car while he was out of town for a couple months and from my point of view it was a game changer for me, enough so that I'm adding one to my garage...... It was not because of auto headlights either!? You need to actually drive one not just look inside of the car?
As an improvement: I'd like to see PAG put the sports and sports plus functions into the MF steering wheel. That would be much better! Maybe change the door sill plastics to carbon to match the illuminated carbon sills and also make the centre console storage larger with a usb outlet. Currently not deal breakers but the car deserves better there.