Running 10C cooler in Sport than in Normal
I'm wondering why this is and if true why wouldn't I always choose Sport mode to get this benefit from an engine protection viewpoint (though probably give up a bit of mileage)?
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Normal. And yes, the higher temp is for emissions/efficiency. And yes, no reason not to run in Sport mode most of the time. |
Found this to be true too, I always drive in sport mode
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Is this intake temperature or are we talking about water temp? |
Oil temperature, so an accurate difference (as you know the water temperature gauge is fake news).
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I didn't know this!!!
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FWIW, this is the same thing that occurs on my Spyder as well, so it's not just for the TT/TTS.
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Originally Posted by guab
(Post 15391573)
FWIW, this is the same thing that occurs on my Spyder as well, so it's not just for the TT/TTS.
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So what changes to accomplish this, and while I can see the higher temperature being better for fuel mileage, which is better for long-term engine wear? (Perhaps the higher if there’s less friction thus explaining the mileage gain?) |
Originally Posted by the_buch
(Post 15392331)
So what changes to accomplish this, and while I can see the higher temperature being better for fuel mileage, which is better for long-term engine wear? (Perhaps the higher if there’s less friction thus explaining the mileage gain?) |
Originally Posted by JR956678
(Post 15394195)
If I recall reading this correctly, there are louvers that close off some of the airflow to the front radiators in Normal mode to reduce drag, and that reduced airflow increases the oil temperature. So it's not really the increased temperature that gets better mileage - it's reduced drag. I remember this specifically from my C4S - not sure that the Turbo does this though.
I'm still trying to figure out whether the higher operating temperatures might result in reduced friction to deliver higher fuel mileage and therefore less wear and tear, or if the higher temps result in a combustion efficiency though possibly greater heat-related stress?? |
yes, anytime i go to sport/sport+ oil temp comes down about 10d, ‘14 C2S |
AFAIK, the higher efficiency / lower emissions is a hotter base temperature combustion effect not a mechanical effect. The mechanism... 991s (any flavor) don’t have active louvers that block airflow. 992s are reported to have louvers. The ‘87-‘90 928s have louvers too. The waterpump in the 9A1 motor is belt driven. I spent some time today looking for references materials and didn’t find anything to jog my memory on the mechanism for the 9A1 and 9A2 motors. Could be a ECU-controlled valve for water or oil... |
Thanks all. For those interested, I found an older thread on the 991 board with some speculations: https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1081...port-mode.html ... I'll try not to duplicate effort :)
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Originally Posted by the_buch
(Post 15392331)
So what changes to accomplish this, and while I can see the higher temperature being better for fuel mileage, which is better for long-term engine wear? (Perhaps the higher if there’s less friction thus explaining the mileage gain?) |
Originally Posted by the_buch
(Post 15394511)
Weird - you'd think Porsche would want to reduce drag in the sportier modes? Plus, how much difference could that bit of drag make at average speeds more typical of running in Normal?
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Originally Posted by JR956678
(Post 15399142)
I would think it would be a small effect, but these days manufacturers have to operate within a number of sometimes conflicting regulations (CAFE, emissions, etc) where even small effects make a difference when combined. For what it's worth, this link https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-carrera-models/drive/active-cowl-flap/ is what I alluded to having read where Porsche says they do this with louvers for drag reduction purposes. While drag reduction is certainly valuable in sportier modes, the engine is more likely to be generating higher output and oil cooling would be more important in sportier modes. In addition to what happens in Sport or Sport+, this is also an "on demand" situation in Normal - based I would suppose on oil temperature.
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Originally Posted by JR956678
(Post 15399142)
For what it's worth, this link https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-carrera-models/drive/active-cowl-flap/ is what I alluded to having read where Porsche says they do this with louvers for drag reduction purposes.
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Originally Posted by the_buch
(Post 15399717)
The only question I still have is what oil temperature is better for wear and tear on the engine itself - higher oil temp=less friction=lower wear (though probably slightly higher oil consumption) ... or ... lower oil temp=lower heat stress on components?
The indicated temperature is where the temperature sensor is which may not necessarily be the hottest point. This link suggests the range is 180-210 and also explains this relationship between oil temperature and engine life. |
Originally Posted by JR956678
(Post 15401703)
I think it's a range rather than any specific temperature. You want the oil to get hot enough to vaporize any water that has accumulated in the oil which means that at some point in the engine it has reached 212 or higher, and that defines the lower limit. As temperature increases the viscosity decreases and the oil film gets thinner, increasing wear on the engine; the lowest acceptable viscosity for proper lubrication defines the upper limit.
The indicated temperature is where the temperature sensor is which may not necessarily be the hottest point. This link suggests the range is 180-210 and also explains this relationship between oil temperature and engine life. |
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