Market Glut....GT3 and gt3rs ?
#136
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Originally Posted by mooty
glut?
1. not that many out there
2. even if they are out there sitting and NOT selling, you wonder why. dealers are not that dumb. they would lower the price. but they haven't........
and if there's a glut, GREAT then those who have no RS can now get one at good price. so what is the problem?
price going up: complain
price drops down: complain
how about just buy a fkg car and drive the sh*t out of it?
1. not that many out there
2. even if they are out there sitting and NOT selling, you wonder why. dealers are not that dumb. they would lower the price. but they haven't........
and if there's a glut, GREAT then those who have no RS can now get one at good price. so what is the problem?
price going up: complain
price drops down: complain
how about just buy a fkg car and drive the sh*t out of it?
#137
Not sure I follow there's less than 50 cars or so in the US? I call that low supply, and wait for a high roller(: Trust me a dealer is not hurting with a RS on the floor.
#138
Burning Brakes
High rollers? That ship has sailed. How many high rollers do you know that just have to have last year's model? They want the latest and greatest.
#139
I was being sarcastic actually. Besides that I'm buffuddled that 50 or so cars is considered a Glut ........it's the only model there is no RS for 2017? Besides that people are crying how they have to pay up to 60k for a .2GT3 ......man Porsche is just laughing. Dealers are not broke, and they know the true value of the car ........lastly they control the secret list and tell you where you are? That's a game I will never play too many toys available out there.
#140
Burning Brakes
I was being sarcastic actually. Besides that I'm buffuddled that 50 or so cars is considered a Glut ........it's the only model there is no RS for 2017? Besides that people are crying how they have to pay up to 60k for a .2GT3 ......man Porsche is just laughing. Dealers are not broke, and they know the true value of the car ........lastly they control the secret list and tell you where you are? That's a game I will never play too many toys available out there.
The whole issue with Porsche is they take a long time to ramp up supply and so people are fighting over the incremental production yield. Imagine a different approach where Porsche dedicated the line to initial GT3 production and then faded the volume as demand dropped off. You would see news of an abundant initial 6-month allocation release and people would chill out, while Porsche would slow allocation in the back half. This is calculated scarcity with all its inherent effects.
#141
Race Director
glut?
1. not that many out there
2. even if they are out there sitting and NOT selling, you wonder why. dealers are not that dumb. they would lower the price. but they haven't........
and if there's a glut, GREAT then those who have no RS can now get one at good price. so what is the problem?
price going up: complain
price drops down: complain
how about just buy a fkg car and drive the sh*t out of it?
1. not that many out there
2. even if they are out there sitting and NOT selling, you wonder why. dealers are not that dumb. they would lower the price. but they haven't........
and if there's a glut, GREAT then those who have no RS can now get one at good price. so what is the problem?
price going up: complain
price drops down: complain
how about just buy a fkg car and drive the sh*t out of it?
#142
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While everyone was discussing the nuances of the GT car market forces, I went out and drove mine. I know, crazy talk around here lately.
Not once during the 100 miles I drove today did I care how many RS's there were in the US; whether the prices are up or down; whether the .2 is faster on the ring. Instead I focused on the road ahead of me; the crazy **** eating grins the car provides and how life is short and how much I enjoy driving. People seem to be missing the point of these cars.
Not once during the 100 miles I drove today did I care how many RS's there were in the US; whether the prices are up or down; whether the .2 is faster on the ring. Instead I focused on the road ahead of me; the crazy **** eating grins the car provides and how life is short and how much I enjoy driving. People seem to be missing the point of these cars.
#143
Race Director
While everyone was discussing the nuances of the GT car market forces, I went out and drove mine. I know, crazy talk around here lately.
Not once during the 100 miles I drove today did I care how many RS's there were in the US; whether the prices are up or down; whether the .2 is faster on the ring. Instead I focused on the road ahead of me; the crazy **** eating grins the car provides and how life is short and how much I enjoy driving. People seem to be missing the point of these cars.
Not once during the 100 miles I drove today did I care how many RS's there were in the US; whether the prices are up or down; whether the .2 is faster on the ring. Instead I focused on the road ahead of me; the crazy **** eating grins the car provides and how life is short and how much I enjoy driving. People seem to be missing the point of these cars.
#144
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#145
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I think the biggest and the real glut by far is all the RS garage queens in homes & storage facilities across america of owners who are afraid to put miles on or hoping to make more money on them than they paid. That's the real glut. 2000+ RS out there and a fraction of them being driven on road, let alone track.
Most of the cars being used were probably at were at smokeys this week getting launched on the drag strip, driven at AMP, or in the twisties in the rain... was a beautiful sight to see.
Most of the cars being used were probably at were at smokeys this week getting launched on the drag strip, driven at AMP, or in the twisties in the rain... was a beautiful sight to see.
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^ bravo. so wish i could make it ;-(
#147
I think the biggest and the real glut by far is all the RS garage queens in homes & storage facilities across america of owners who are afraid to put miles on or hoping to make more money on them than they paid. That's the real glut. 2000+ RS out there and a fraction of them being driven on road, let alone track.
Most of the cars being used were probably at were at smokeys this week getting launched on the drag strip, driven at AMP, or in the twisties in the rain... was a beautiful sight to see.
Most of the cars being used were probably at were at smokeys this week getting launched on the drag strip, driven at AMP, or in the twisties in the rain... was a beautiful sight to see.
#148
While everyone was discussing the nuances of the GT car market forces, I went out and drove mine. I know, crazy talk around here lately.
Not once during the 100 miles I drove today did I care how many RS's there were in the US; whether the prices are up or down; whether the .2 is faster on the ring. Instead I focused on the road ahead of me; the crazy **** eating grins the car provides and how life is short and how much I enjoy driving. People seem to be missing the point of these cars.
Not once during the 100 miles I drove today did I care how many RS's there were in the US; whether the prices are up or down; whether the .2 is faster on the ring. Instead I focused on the road ahead of me; the crazy **** eating grins the car provides and how life is short and how much I enjoy driving. People seem to be missing the point of these cars.
I took the car to work 2 days in a row (about a 50 mile round trip - all highway). It was perfection. So unique. I really love it.
I was thinking what I would do differently in the .2. I couldn't think of a thing. I posted in another thread, I was thinking about a MT and LWB (I have 18 ways). I'm not sure - I may just keep the 18 way and the PDK and do a color change.
For those who mentioned investing in these cars: You're so right, they are not an investment. Every time run the numbers, it's clear one does better in investing in what you know, not the frailties of the Porsche GT3 market. I like to make money as much as the next guy, but cars are not the place to make real money - cars are where you spend real money...
#149
Nordschleife Master
Mine was bought as my Toy. Yes it's not a cheap Toy but it's no different than when I was a kid. Play with it and never worry what it's worth after.
#150
Don't know what people are smoking (unless you're in CA then I do).
There are about 40-50 RS's out there and only two handfuls with sub 1000 miles. Dealers are being greedy bastards at $40-$50k over still. So all of this BS about a glut is a joke.
Trust me I'm looking for one and have talked to every dealer this past week who has one. Not speculation, but fact.
May just go buy a 488...at least you can get them at sticker :-)
There are about 40-50 RS's out there and only two handfuls with sub 1000 miles. Dealers are being greedy bastards at $40-$50k over still. So all of this BS about a glut is a joke.
Trust me I'm looking for one and have talked to every dealer this past week who has one. Not speculation, but fact.
May just go buy a 488...at least you can get them at sticker :-)