Could this be the 991.2 GT3?
09-01-2016, 04:39 PM
#436
Rennlist Member
I remember the days when waiting for the new model to come out meant years. I was only a dreamer back then,but you would see a new car on the street and it meant something. People were driving them and enjoying having the newest and greatest without worrying what the refreshed model will be.
I am not necessarily saying it's a bad thing what's happening today,but those 6-7 years between refreshes meant real engineering work and better reliability. It also meant growing anticipation. Today they are dumping mindlessly and without perceived enthusiasm in engineering work. They seem robotic and cheap. The use of plastic composites and complicated electronics are ruining reliability. Planned obsolescence is part of the manufacturing process today.
And it's all ^^^ driven by US the customers. Very unfortunate IMO. Sometimes you have to slow down to go fast...
End of rant.
I am not necessarily saying it's a bad thing what's happening today,but those 6-7 years between refreshes meant real engineering work and better reliability. It also meant growing anticipation. Today they are dumping mindlessly and without perceived enthusiasm in engineering work. They seem robotic and cheap. The use of plastic composites and complicated electronics are ruining reliability. Planned obsolescence is part of the manufacturing process today.
And it's all ^^^ driven by US the customers. Very unfortunate IMO. Sometimes you have to slow down to go fast...
End of rant.
My issue with cars today is that all manufacturers are going after all customers, with all cars becoming more and more the same with every generation. And it will only continue as we become passengers behind the wheel.
09-01-2016, 04:47 PM
#437
Nordschleife Master
Getting off the subject here, but I disagree. Truly new models are no more frequent than they ever were. Porsche just positions them as such - the GT3, GT3RS, and 911R are really all the same model, with the .2 versions likely very similar (from what AP has told us). And cars have never been more reliable, more powerful, more efficient, needed as little maintenance, or lasted as long. My issue with cars today is that all manufacturers are going after all customers, with all cars becoming more and more the same with every generation. And it will only continue as we become passengers behind the wheel.
Little maintenance no...but they'll tell you what you want to hear...with their ridiculous " lifetime fluids " and 10-15 K miles oil change intervals. People are lazy so it sounds good to them.
Reliable? No way! Please spend a day with a technician that works on well used late model German make. You'll be amazed and you'll change your opinion quickly! And the rest of makes and models are no exception,don't get me wrong...
09-01-2016, 07:46 PM
#438
Nordschleife Master
I think much has to do with all the different versions in each of the models. As they say, there's a Pcar made for everyone in that market. Back not too many years ago, how many models did they produce?
09-01-2016, 09:10 PM
#439
Rennlist Member
I think Alan is referring to the "first owner" of these cars. We are comparing new cars across time. The reality is cars have become cheaper over time. In 1979 you could buy 3x national average priced houses here for the price of a 930T. In 2016 you can buy 0.7 x national average priced houses here for the price of a 991TTS.
Over the last 30 years cars have become cheaper, more efficient, more reliable, quicker and more comfortable and of course safe.
In the 1970s cars were relatively expensive and built to a life-cycle of perhaps 25 years viable economic use. Today cars are IMO built to a 15 years viable economic use standard.
Cars are cheaper relatively today than 1970. They are also more disposable.
Over the last 30 years cars have become cheaper, more efficient, more reliable, quicker and more comfortable and of course safe.
In the 1970s cars were relatively expensive and built to a life-cycle of perhaps 25 years viable economic use. Today cars are IMO built to a 15 years viable economic use standard.
Cars are cheaper relatively today than 1970. They are also more disposable.
09-02-2016, 12:40 AM
#440
Pro
Any idea if the engine will be turbo?
09-02-2016, 12:55 PM
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to bring some action in this discussion, here are some good news from good old Germany:
- 991.2 GT3 will be naturally aspirated as expected
- it will get a more or less NEW NA engine
- expect about 490PS horsepower
- option will be 6 speed manual or PDK
- presentation will be probably Paris
- orders in Germany can be given in Q4/16
- production will begin in Q4/16
Remember the words ..., may the discussion begin .....
Here a new Video from NOS, in the first sequence, look at the rear beneath the wing,
new engine sounds great !
- 991.2 GT3 will be naturally aspirated as expected
- it will get a more or less NEW NA engine
- expect about 490PS horsepower
- option will be 6 speed manual or PDK
- presentation will be probably Paris
- orders in Germany can be given in Q4/16
- production will begin in Q4/16
Remember the words ..., may the discussion begin .....
Here a new Video from NOS, in the first sequence, look at the rear beneath the wing,
new engine sounds great !
09-02-2016, 01:00 PM
#445
Drifting
Q4/16 is to early..
09-02-2016, 01:23 PM
#447
to bring some action in this discussion, here are some good news from good old Germany:
- 991.2 GT3 will be naturally aspirated as expected
- it will get a more or less NEW NA engine
- expect about 490PS horsepower
- option will be 6 speed manual or PDK
- presentation will be probably Paris
- orders in Germany can be given in Q4/16
- production will begin in Q4/16
Remember the words ..., may the discussion begin .....
Here a new Video from NOS, in the first sequence, look at the rear beneath the wing,
new engine sounds great !
Porsche 991 GT3 MkII Still Testing on the Nordschleife! - YouTube
- 991.2 GT3 will be naturally aspirated as expected
- it will get a more or less NEW NA engine
- expect about 490PS horsepower
- option will be 6 speed manual or PDK
- presentation will be probably Paris
- orders in Germany can be given in Q4/16
- production will begin in Q4/16
Remember the words ..., may the discussion begin .....
Here a new Video from NOS, in the first sequence, look at the rear beneath the wing,
new engine sounds great !
Porsche 991 GT3 MkII Still Testing on the Nordschleife! - YouTube
Seems like Paris show it is. Curios on what engine it is and if AP will talk about it as a track car and mention warranty.
To me production timing makes sense. The production of RS and R will likely come to an end by Q4 so it makes perfect sense to start making 991.2gt3s!
09-02-2016, 01:43 PM
#448
09-02-2016, 02:00 PM
#450