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Dan39 05-29-2015 10:03 AM

Taper Tantrum (Brake wear)
 
Burned through a set of stock brake pads (steel brakes) in three and a half track days at high speed/moderate braking tracks (mostly Watkins Glen). Threshold braking and then trailing into most corners.

That in line with what you guys are seeing?

Pad was heavily tapered on the leading edge to the point the sensor didn't trip until the pad was worn down to the metal backing. I guess I should have flipped the pads after the second day.

Going with new stock rotors and RS29's.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...63ed8c374d.jpg


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sasportas 05-29-2015 10:21 AM

That is crazy.

I ran RS29 at the Glen last week.

Hardly much wear in 2 days.

orthojoe 05-29-2015 10:27 AM

Yikes, that is some serious tapering. Stock pads supposedly taper and don't last (I took my stock pads out the next day after delivery). Pfc11 and ferodo ds1.11 pads have shown zero taper on my car so far.

This is what my PFC11 pads looked like after 8 track days. No taper:

http://s6.postimg.org/97uqrxy81/IMG_5406.jpg

Jason @ Paragon Products 05-29-2015 10:30 AM

The RS29's will definitely give you longer pad life. Heat is the enemy for the stock pads as once they get above the designed operating temperature the wear will accelerate quite a bit.

SamFromTX 05-29-2015 10:41 AM

RS 29s will taper as well. You need to flip the pads half way.

Alan C. 05-29-2015 12:45 PM

Put those pads on eBay for log splitters. :thumbup:

Dan39 05-29-2015 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by orthojoe (Post 12318433)
Yikes, that is some serious tapering. Stock pads supposedly taper and don't last (I took my stock pads out the next day after delivery). Pfc11 and ferodo ds1.11 pads have shown zero taper on my car so far.

This is what my PFC11 pads looked like after 8 track days. No taper:

http://s6.postimg.org/97uqrxy81/IMG_5406.jpg

That's incredible! You're running those over stock rotors?

Dan39 05-29-2015 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by SamFromTX (Post 12318465)
RS 29s will taper as well. You need to flip the pads half way.

How many days/hours of running are you getting before you flip and total? And how aggressive is your braking, Sam? Thx

orthojoe 05-29-2015 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by Dan39 (Post 12318999)
That's incredible! You're running those over stock rotors?

Yup. Those were on stock rotors.
I'm currently running AP racing rotors with the ferodo pads. No taper either.

JasonAndreas 05-29-2015 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by Dan39 (Post 12318386)
Burned through a set of stock brake pads (steel brakes) in three and a half track days at high speed/moderate braking tracks (mostly Watkins Glen). Threshold braking and then trailing into most corners.


Going with new stock rotors and RS29's.

How thick were your rotors after the fact?

Dan39 05-29-2015 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by JasonAndreas (Post 12319048)
How thick were your rotors after the fact?

The rotor on the corner that saw the pad tapered down to metal was grooved as you'd expect so I replaced all four rotors.

The rotor thickness itself was fine and no significant cracking - I was actually quite impressed with the rotor.

The pad is the weak link in the stock setup after the fluid is replaced with track fluid it seems.

MaxLTV 05-29-2015 11:35 PM

I had comparable taper on stock pads, which drove me bananas, and about half of this much taper on Endless NU5 pads. Will try Ferodos Joe mentioned now.

Bartron 05-30-2015 09:45 AM

What's involved with flipping them? Just swap inboard and outboard sides?

orthojoe 05-30-2015 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by Bartron (Post 12321005)
What's involved with flipping them? Just swap inboard and outboard sides?

yes

Keith Verges - Dallas 05-30-2015 12:27 PM

Lap times would help these brake wear assessments


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