GT car scams
09-21-2018, 12:45 AM
#76
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09-21-2018, 12:58 AM
#78
Three Wheelin'
One of the biggest problems with ADM in the US and why many are passionately against it is the injustice. No one wants to feel they were fooled. Why do you or I have to pay ADM if someone with a better connection can get a msrp deal? You pay $200k for a car. Next day someone tells you they bought the same car for $170k.
ps: if adm were the same across the board for everyone, there would have been less complaints
...and profit margin aside, Porsche needs to hire some smart economists or hustlers. I think there can be a state (in chemistry terms) where the enthusiasts are satisfied, Porsche gets its cut, and dealers make their money.
ps: if adm were the same across the board for everyone, there would have been less complaints
...and profit margin aside, Porsche needs to hire some smart economists or hustlers. I think there can be a state (in chemistry terms) where the enthusiasts are satisfied, Porsche gets its cut, and dealers make their money.
My wife and I are flying to Japan 1st class in December. The tickets would have cost about $34,000.00. I used 400,000 points and will be paying about $300 in fees.
It’s a free market. I’m fine with ADMs, I just don’t accept them. If you insist on MSRP on GT3s, good luck going 5-7% below MSRP on a non-GT car. You’re better off making a relationship, getting MSRP on your GT cars and less than MSRP on the others.
Dan (paid MSRP for his GT3)
09-21-2018, 01:03 AM
#79
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Yeah, they are very bad at having a personal connection and database of their loyal customers.
Give it a couple years, we won't be having all these ADM debates.
The 918 VIP program was the father of all these current shenanigans. PCNA overreacted and gave away he house on that one. Could have done a better job marketing the 918 vs what they came up for the US market.
Give it a couple years, we won't be having all these ADM debates.
The 918 VIP program was the father of all these current shenanigans. PCNA overreacted and gave away he house on that one. Could have done a better job marketing the 918 vs what they came up for the US market.
09-21-2018, 01:17 AM
#80
My wife and I are flying to Japan 1st class in December. The tickets would have cost about $34,000.00. I used 400,000 points and will be paying about $300 in fees.
It’s a free market. I’m fine with ADMs, I just don’t accept them. If you insist on MSRP on GT3s, good luck going 5-7% below MSRP on a non-GT car. You’re better off making a relationship, getting MSRP on your GT cars and less than MSRP on the others.
Dan (paid MSRP for his GT3)
09-21-2018, 01:17 AM
#81
Drifting
Absolutely right, glad I did not procrastinate.......The GT3 is awesome for what it is. No performance complaints, just wasn't using it enough, since I already had another weekend car. It didn't take long to figure it out for my driving needs. My intention was to keep it, but this non-flipper was ahead 20K after the decision, so I am better off in that respect and utility of my Porsches.....
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09-21-2018, 01:30 AM
#82
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My wife and I are flying to Japan 1st class in December. The tickets would have cost about $34,000.00. I used 400,000 points and will be paying about $300 in fees.
It’s a free market. I’m fine with ADMs, I just don’t accept them. If you insist on MSRP on GT3s, good luck going 5-7% below MSRP on a non-GT car. You’re better off making a relationship, getting MSRP on your GT cars and less than MSRP on the others.
Dan (paid MSRP for his GT3)
BTW, i paid 159k msrp for my mt gt3. When i see people paying $180-200k for a similar car, it does not sit well with me.
PS: the point is, the market value for the gt3 or 3rs is not msrp + adm, it is msrp. Adm on these cars is a scam.
09-21-2018, 01:32 AM
#83
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One of the biggest problems with ADM in the US and why many are passionately against it is the injustice. No one wants to feel they were fooled. Why do you or I have to pay ADM if someone with a better connection can get a msrp deal? You pay $200k for a car. Next day someone tells you they bought the same car for $170k.
ps: if adm were the same across the board for everyone, there would have been less complaints
...and profit margin aside, Porsche needs to hire some smart economists or hustlers. I think there can be a state (in chemistry terms) where the enthusiasts are satisfied, Porsche gets its cut, and dealers make their money.
ps: if adm were the same across the board for everyone, there would have been less complaints
...and profit margin aside, Porsche needs to hire some smart economists or hustlers. I think there can be a state (in chemistry terms) where the enthusiasts are satisfied, Porsche gets its cut, and dealers make their money.
09-21-2018, 01:40 AM
#84
How the hell does someone buy a GT car and NOT have to put a deposit down? What, you call up your dealer and say I want a new GT3RS allocation, here's my Porsche build code and they go, "Sure thing, you got it!" I call BS on that. They're gonna order you a car to your specs without a deposit? At MSRP? Right. Even with an ADM, I doubt the people who say they NEVER have put a deposit down on ANY car.
09-21-2018, 01:42 AM
#85
in this regard, you are correct. if Porsche wanted to keep ACTUAL prices at the MSRP level then they clearly would need to manufacture more cars. On the other hand, if they are looking to maximize their profit from existing production levels, then they should raise the prices up to current ACTUAL market level — e.g., $475 for GT2RS, $275 for GT3RS and $200 for GT3. That would take the flippers and scalpers and hooligans out of the market — and those excess(ive) prices would provide more margin for the dealerships and PCNA. The reason I was willing to pay ~$200k for GT3 (on my spec) was because I cant think of a better driving or sounding car for that price. I imagine that the guys who buy GT2RS for $475k think “wow, i just bought the fastest production car in history for under $500k” - so yes, even at these ADM prices Porsche is delivering good value for money — but the process is now ****ty and slimy because Porsche underproduces and undercharges for their cars. And yes, long before I could afford a Porsche, I was an Econ major at UCLA.
09-21-2018, 01:48 AM
#86
Park Place is one of the good guy dealers out there so not surprised at all that they took care of a good local customer. I had my deposit in with them since May 2015 and couldn't get an allocation but then again I'm an out-of-towner. haha
09-21-2018, 01:51 AM
#87
Three Wheelin'
Dan (tries to spend smartly and negotiates for a living)
09-21-2018, 01:57 AM
#88
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09-21-2018, 01:59 AM
#89
Three Wheelin'
I got nothing against free market. If Apple stock costs $x, that’s what it costs. If i buy apple stock from a stealer broker for $x + adm, then find out others buy it for $x, I would be pissed.
BTW, i paid 159k msrp for my mt gt3. When i see people paying $180-200k for a similar car, it does not sit well with me.
PS: the point is, the market value for the gt3 or 3rs is not msrp + adm, it is msrp. Adm on these cars is a scam.
Dan (doesn’t like turning away clients that wont pay his hourly rate, but does so because, that’s market value for my services)
09-21-2018, 02:01 AM
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