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Old 09-21-2018, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by GiuseppeM
Setting up shell companies to charge over and fly under the radar doesn't qualify as free market. Controlling the market and lying on product availability is not free market. Do you know the story about Ferrari their limited and numbered cars?

Dealers can ask whatever they want (where applicable by law, which is in place to protect consumers, and yes you need to protect consumers) and discount as much as they want as long as it's transparent, or they're shady deals.
Alright, I looked at the complaint again. What is your point? I quote your prior thoughts to try to understand what it is you’re trying to say. Are you trying to say that the actions of a criminal make a free market no longer a free market? That seems to be what you’re saying. I don’t even know where to begin to respond to that. No one individual has such power as to destroy a free market short of perhaps a Rockerfeller / Standard Oil monopoly type of argument. Certainly no common thief destroys the nature of a free market by the commission of a single fraud. What you’re saying is just nonsensical. What SS did was a crime. He did not destroy the free market by committing that crime.

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Old 09-21-2018, 11:00 PM
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If you start selling them used at a loss dealer will start selling at msrp

People here live in warped world where they make money on a mass produced car
Old 09-22-2018, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by audipwr1
If you start selling them used at a loss dealer will start selling at msrp

People here live in warped world where they make money on a mass produced car
When there is money is to be made not just on the actual car, but in the ‘black market’ of build allocations (I.e. forcing customers to pay for the right to specify a particular configuration) and that secondary market in build slots is being manipulated ‘off the books’ it borders on or can cross the line to unethical activity. A free market in allocations would not have ‘secret’ waiting lists...
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Originally Posted by Bartleby7334


When there is money is to be made not just on the actual car, but in the ‘black market’ of build allocations (I.e. forcing customers to pay for the right to specify a particular configuration) and that secondary market in build slots is being manipulated ‘off the books’ it borders on or can cross the line to unethical activity. A free market in allocations would not have ‘secret’ waiting lists...
That’s your experience?

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...l#post15290605

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...l#post15290649

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Old 09-22-2018, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by hfm


That’s your experience?

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...l#post15290605

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...l#post15290649

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Old 09-22-2018, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by hfm


That’s your experience?

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...l#post15290605

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...l#post15290649

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Well played. Now I just feel silly. And yes I love my Touring.


Old 09-22-2018, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartleby7334


Well played. Now I just feel silly. And yes I love my Touring.


Jump into your car. I guarantee you’ll feel much better.
Old 09-22-2018, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by hfm


That’s your experience?

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...l#post15290605

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...l#post15290649

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Old 09-23-2018, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by FourT6and2
How the hell does someone buy a GT car and NOT have to put a deposit down? What, you call up your dealer and say I want a new GT3RS allocation, here's my Porsche build code and they go, "Sure thing, you got it!" I call BS on that. They're gonna order you a car to your specs without a deposit? At MSRP? Right. Even with an ADM, I doubt the people who say they NEVER have put a deposit down on ANY car.
Incredibly, I built and ordered a '16 gt4 and currently waiting on my '18 991.2 gt3 to arrive mid October, gt silver, manual. BTW, both without a deposit @ MSRP. No ADM! Kudos to Porsche of Greensboro.
Old 09-23-2018, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by JRM3.8
Incredibly, I built and ordered a '16 gt4 and currently waiting on my '18 991.2 gt3 to arrive mid October, gt silver, manual. BTW, both without a deposit @ MSRP. No ADM! Kudos to Porsche of Greensboro.
If you have a relationship with your dealer then no deposit is no problem. i configured a car to my exact specs and picked it up in europe. I showed up three days prior to leaving for europe and then we did the paperwork. No deposit (not commenting on ADM, as that is a function of local market). Rusnak Westlake Porsche are good guys to deal with.
Old 09-23-2018, 12:06 PM
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Deposits aren’t necessary when your dealer knows you will not flake on your build. I’ve taken every car I have built M cars to GT cars, and NEVER a deposit. Also helps that I send them business which builds a buyer network for all car lines.

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Old 09-23-2018, 12:23 PM
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Well I'm looking for a GT3RS allocation at MSRP lol. I'm fine with a deposit, it's the ADM I'm more concerned about. My GT3 dealer doesn't have any allocations. I think a $5K, maybe even 10K deposit is fine if a dealer doesn't know you from Adam. But wanting a $50K ADM is ridiculous. Lowest I've found so far is $25K on the RS. I'm fine keeping my GT3 but if I find an RS allocation at MSRP I'd grab it.

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Old 09-23-2018, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FourT6and2
Well I'm looking for a GTRS allocation at MSRP lol. I'm fine with a deposit, it's the ADM I'm more concerned about. My GT3 dealer doesn't have any allocations. I think a $5K, maybe even 10K deposit is fine if a dealer doesn't know you from Adam. But wanting a $50K ADM is ridiculous. Lowest I've found so far is $25K on the RS. I'm fine keeping my GT3 but if I find an RS allocation at MSRP I'd grab it.
Rusnak has one for you at $100K ADM.
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Originally Posted by goin2drt
Rusnak has one for you at $100K ADM.
Well then the one at $25K I found is a baragin! lol
Old 09-24-2018, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by FourT6and2
Well I'm looking for a GTRS allocation at MSRP lol. I'm fine with a deposit, it's the ADM I'm more concerned about. My GT3 dealer doesn't have any allocations. I think a $5K, maybe even 10K deposit is fine if a dealer doesn't know you from Adam. But wanting a $50K ADM is ridiculous. Lowest I've found so far is $25K on the RS. I'm fine keeping my GT3 but if I find an RS allocation at MSRP I'd grab it.
you found a gt2 at 25 over and you didn't buy?


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