GT car scams
09-21-2018, 07:48 PM
#136
09-21-2018, 07:57 PM
#137
Succinctly stated by Martin before that Porsche Germany hides the numbers while propogating rarity via a hierarchal selection which the "market" adjusts for in USA pricing until late in production when the punters catch wind and orices drop.
I gotta wonder how Porsche do it in other countries which have no ADM
I gotta wonder how Porsche do it in other countries which have no ADM
09-21-2018, 08:00 PM
#138
Three Wheelin'
If you're not talking about Porsche and you're instead talking about the suits against Sookralli and Champion, then that's where responsibility rests. With them, not Porsche. ADM, fraud, lawsuits unrelated to Porsche are not something Porsche needs us to be emailing them about as suggested by OP because they have nothing to do with it.
Seriously, SS employed by CP steals from X by cashing checks made out for purchase of a P car. And you think X deserves recompense or action from P instead of SS or CP? How does that logically follow at all? Forget about manufacturing anything if you can be sued or be liable because someone fraudulently steals by claiming to sell something you've made. Hell, may be they should have a claim against Germany too who should be responsible because Porsche is located there. Let's just wipe out industry while were at it.
Dan (wonders if this is a political or ideological issue for some forum members)
Seriously, SS employed by CP steals from X by cashing checks made out for purchase of a P car. And you think X deserves recompense or action from P instead of SS or CP? How does that logically follow at all? Forget about manufacturing anything if you can be sued or be liable because someone fraudulently steals by claiming to sell something you've made. Hell, may be they should have a claim against Germany too who should be responsible because Porsche is located there. Let's just wipe out industry while were at it.
Dan (wonders if this is a political or ideological issue for some forum members)
09-21-2018, 08:04 PM
#139
Burning Brakes
Disappointing elitist attitude for a car enthusiast forum, I could easily afford more, but I don't spend money needlessly. Usually people who earn their money know this. I don't advocate regulation, I advocate for sanity and an end to this chaos. If you are a broker or flipper or use them, you are part of a "black market" you justify your position by saying its capitalism. Just like the coyote who smuggles people across the border instead of being legit and sometimes it all goes wrong like it did for customers of SS. I own rental property and businesses and I don't punch a time clock, that means I work for a living, and I believe in capitalism. I believe Michael Jordan should do something when kids shoot each other at shoe stores. I believe Porsche should take a stand in some fashion. Just like they punish those who used to ship Cayennes out of the US. There are ways to control the market and push out the corruption, They already manipulate dealers with allocations. Customers and the market need to be nurtured and grown, these games interfere with that relationship. Non Porsche Dealers should not be profiting from scarcity, period. That can be made to happen, non refundable deposits scared away brokers and flippers, requiring purchasers to offer first right of refusal for resale in the first year stops this game. AP made it clear, these cars are not a hedge fund.
These are 6-figure cars, not milk/eggs/medicines or necessities of life.
I don’t like ADMs and have not paid one on a new car yet, but have paid over msrp for other things that I wanted right away.
How people want to spend their money is not for others to decide. Porsche is not controlling a necessity, it is merely a luxury item.
09-21-2018, 08:06 PM
#140
You are comparing this episode to immigrant smugglers?????
These are 6-figure cars, not milk/eggs/medicines or necessities of life.
I don’t like ADMs and have not paid one on a new car yet, but have paid over msrp for other things that I wanted right away.
How people want to spend their money is not for others to decide. Porsche is not controlling a necessity, it is merely a luxury item.
09-21-2018, 08:07 PM
#141
Nope, never said that, I asked you to read the lawsuit again to see who was involved. On the other hand, I have the impression that the manufacturer was aware, and it’s still aware of this practice by some dealers and doesn’t penalize the act because it would be inconvenient.
If you're not talking about Porsche and you're instead talking about the suits against Sookralli and Champion, then that's where responsibility rests. With them, not Porsche. ADM, fraud, lawsuits unrelated to Porsche are not something Porsche needs us to be emailing them about as suggested by OP because they have nothing to do with it.
Seriously, SS employed by CP steals from X by cashing checks made out for purchase of a P car. And you think X deserves recompense or action from P instead of SS or CP? How does that logically follow at all? Forget about manufacturing anything if you can be sued or be liable because someone fraudulently steals by claiming to sell something you've made. Hell, may be they should have a claim against Germany too who should be responsible because Porsche is located there. Let's just wipe out industry while were at it.
Dan (wonders if this is a political or ideological issue for some forum members)
Seriously, SS employed by CP steals from X by cashing checks made out for purchase of a P car. And you think X deserves recompense or action from P instead of SS or CP? How does that logically follow at all? Forget about manufacturing anything if you can be sued or be liable because someone fraudulently steals by claiming to sell something you've made. Hell, may be they should have a claim against Germany too who should be responsible because Porsche is located there. Let's just wipe out industry while were at it.
Dan (wonders if this is a political or ideological issue for some forum members)
09-21-2018, 08:15 PM
#142
Rennlist Member
You are comparing this episode to immigrant smugglers?????
These are 6-figure cars, not milk/eggs/medicines or necessities of life.
I don’t like ADMs and have not paid one on a new car yet, but have paid over msrp for other things that I wanted right away.
How people want to spend their money is not for others to decide. Porsche is not controlling a necessity, it is merely a luxury item.
09-21-2018, 08:35 PM
#143
09-21-2018, 08:42 PM
#144
Three Wheelin'
Nope, never said that, I asked you to read the lawsuit again to see who was involved. On the other hand, I have the impression that the manufacturer was aware, and it’s still aware of this practice by some dealers and doesn’t penalize the act because it would be inconvenient.
09-21-2018, 08:43 PM
#145
Burning Brakes
yes, it may have already cost one man his life, and who knows when/if Sookralli will be found, as for Porsche, I was offered a 2RS, price to be determined, when things are vague, it leads to hard feelings, in business cars marriage etc. Id rather build a Singer or my own creation than deal with the hassles. Those of you who flip cars, or expect to own with zero deprecation have no passion, you are the kind of people that give away pets to the pound or who have sex with fat ugly women because its convenient. Personally I commend Ford for wanting their cars to go to those who are real enthusiasts, not smelly cologne weasels who belong in a Bentley.
You should go build a Singer. That whole car is one big ADM! I like them, but I would rather pay an ADM to a dealer than have a custom 964 for over $600K. But, they are beautiful, my colleague owns one.
If you really want something you buy it if you have the means, otherwise you don’t want it as much as you think or say.
Your problem is that you don’t want to pay the ask.
I’ll show myself out...
09-21-2018, 09:24 PM
#147
Rennlist Member
You are clearly spewing BS at this point.
You should go build a Singer. That whole car is one big ADM! I like them, but I would rather pay an ADM to a dealer than have a custom 964 for over $600K. But, they are beautiful, my colleague owns one.
If you really want something you buy it if you have the means, otherwise you don’t want it as much as you think or say.
Your problem is that you don’t want to pay the ask.
whatever.
09-21-2018, 09:29 PM
#148
09-21-2018, 09:40 PM
#149
Rennlist Member
09-21-2018, 09:49 PM
#150