GT3 Touring. Seat selection
 

Changed my mind and going wing-less. Car won't be a daily driver, but I'm afraid not going with bucket seats defeats the GT appeal of the car?



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Your thoughts?

I don't get buckets for the touring. Sofas make way more sense. The package is called "touring".

What's wrong with buckets for the touring? I have them in mine and the only negative is they're a bit tough to get in and out of. Otherwise, they're great.

As others have said they are a bit of a PITA to get in and out of, but they are super comfy and really look great in the Touring IMHO

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LOL :roflmao: I have had people of "larger frame" have a very difficult time getting out of the LWB's. I'm not the youngest guy, so also think of it as exercise getting in and out of them.

this ^^^

lack of seat back angle adj is just stupid for a 'touring' car

Remind me again what the T stands for in GT3?

I went back and forth on this for my Touring - arriving in August. At first I was going to do the sofas - but decided to stick with the LWB. Im happy with the decision but both would work well. I don't think you can go wrong here.

I vote buckets and then fit the angle adjusters if you want a more laid back feel.
And if you decide to spec the extinguisher/bracket but don't like it, I will gladly buy it from you for 2x MSRP.....

moronic comment

your car your money porsche will sell u what u want

Thanks for the comments. I love the looks and feel of the buckets. I'm young but still find them a PITA to get in and out from.
Some may say it may hurt resale, but I'm planning on buying the car I want, not the next guy that buys it from me...

Touché..

As long as your body is comfortable with them, I have to say buckets.

Hi guys, First post here. Such a great forum!
I am between the Folding Buckets and the LWBs for my Touring. I love the way the LWBs look, especially the carbon fiber back. If the options are between the 4way and the LWBs then definitely the LWBs. They just fit the car better.
At the end of the day, you want your bum feel part of the car!

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I too have gone back and forth on this for my Touring build. From a practical standpoint, the 4 ways make more sense. The "back seat" area would be usable for golf clubs, etc and I really like the seat warming function in my 991.1 GTS 4 ways. From an aesthetic and driving standpoint, the LWBs make more sense to me because it is not going to be a daily driver and I want the driving experience to be as different from my PDK GTS as possible. My current build has the LWBs. Now, if I can just decide on a color! Poor me!

What color(s) are you in between?

Brainzito - I am all over the place, quite frankly. My GTS is agate grey which I love but I want to mix it up a bit. I'm leaning toward lava orange with racing stripes but that kind of, sort of defeats the "under the radar" purpose of the Touring. But it looks killer. Carmine also has caught my eye. I have also considered GT silver, chalk, and carrara white but I think I have ruled those out for various reasons. I get tired of seeing black, white, silver and grey cars here in LA. I want to be different. Lava would certainly fit that bill, but I figure that if I am going to get lava, I should wing it. A good "problem" to have!

pete i am sure u know that 997 GT2 folding CF buckets with the right connector do work seamlessly on the 991 cars!!! :cheers: have cake eat it too

Always fun reading everyone opinion. I am agonising over options/ colors in building a .2 GT3. The wing delete is just that, no wing. This does not turn it into a 911R, its a GT3 with no wing. If you like the full bucket seats, get them with or without the wing. Personal preference. I currently owe a .1 GT3, and will go wingless for many reasons. One main one is visibility out the back at night. The whole experience of driving a car like this will not be diminished simply by removing the surf board.......

Just got back from a 250 mile trip from the Bay Area down to Monterey and back. This is the longest trip I've taken in my touring with LWB's, and they were very comfortable for the whole drive. I am so glad I got them! I also hit 1,000 miles today, so I guess she's broken in.

I went with 18 ways for my GT3 T. I like the look of the buckets but it just came down to ease of use, access and adjustability

I am pretty sure I will be going with full buckets in my order. I had the 4 ways in my .1 and had to use some sort of lumbar pillow if I was driving for more than an hour. I'm sure the CF seats will not be any better, but will be awesome for those "spirited" drives!

I thought his comment was less moronic then yours actually.

Further, I find the lightweight buckets more comfortable then the sofas and 1000x nicer looking. I just took a five hour trip in them with zero pain and my back would kick after about 90 minutes in the 18-way sofas.

This debate is like you want burger or pizza for lunch. Both are very good and it depends on your personal choice . Some people prefer one over the other ,
I have had both in GT cars and prefer sofas myself ,

Get the ones you want.

Once you've had them more than a day, both the sport bucket seats and full bucket seats are simple to get in and out of. For me they are also the most comfortable, at least up to a 6 hour drive. No personal experience with longer stints. Don't let others complaints steer you away from a particular choice. I would bet that most of the 'it's hard to get in and out of' crowd have never owned a car with the seats.

In my mind (which is a very strange place) the 2-way seats seem to fit the concept of the touring package best. Either flavor of bucket seats would also fit as it is still sort of a GT3. In the ROW, the folding sport bucket seats make the most sense as you can access the rear storage area. In the US, the full bucket seats make less sense, but are still a viable option.

Get the style you prefer and work best for you. Image is overrated.

There's no "Manhood Badge" issued with any choice, including LWB...

For those that have tried both LWB and 18 ways, don't you find that you feel more with the LWB and the drive is ultimately a little more exciting?

Love my buckets, but the biggest negative to me isn't ingress/egress or comfort, it's the PITA of trying to get things in and out of the cavernous rear cargo area. So much so that I'm thinking of putting a 4-way on the passenger side. Plus, I think my wife will thank me. Don't really care how silly it looks.

Folding buckets?

Except some people find the buckets more supportive and thus more comfortable than the sofas. For me, the buckets are the best car seat I've ever owned. I'd get hot spots and aches in all three variants of the sofas I've owned, but I get none in the buckets. I can go hours in them with no aches, and I'm a surgically repaired mess. I couldn't do 90 minutes in the sofas without needing to stop and de-ache my back and hip. The buckets are a god send. Even my wife now likes them better than the sofas that were in my Carrera. She'd prefer more lean, but she agrees that they're very comfortable and super supportive.

The assumption that people make that the LWBs are less comfortable than the sofas is simply false.

As you guys know, I have both.

LWB
Better looking, better sense of occasion, lighter weight.

18-ways
Better comfort due to:
a) More adjustments to conform to your body (lumbar, seat extension, bolster adjustment, tilt, height, etc)
b) Heated (for those cold days and nights)
c) More padding which therefore nicer to your spine.
d) Ingress and Egress way easier with much less effort

I would say LWB for winged cars mainly used for canyon runs and track events, and 18 ways or 4 ways for a Touring meant to be used quite often, like daily driving or weekend trips.

Just my opinion.

100% agree. The folding buckets in our 987 Spyder are the most comfortable seats we've ever had for both my wife and I. I don't have the best back, but have done Sydney to Melbourne in around 9 hours and stepped out feeling great. Was a no brainer to order them again for our Touring. Three months to go be it arrives...

OP,

Foldable buckets because they are buckets and you'll feel comfortable in them no matter how long you drive. Ask me how I know! And then you also need to use all that rear cargo area to do the Touring. It is a pain to access the rear area with full buckets. As others said if your passenger claims she or he does not sleep well then recline the passenger seat with an aftermarket solution. Do not do this on the drivers seat because you will find out you won't stand the leg pain on a long run.

This is a USA car, no option for foldable buckets here...;-)

Exactly.

Many would actually get the LWB in non-GT 911s if given the chance. IMO the LWBs gives the car a sense of occasion, it makes it more special and definitely more engaging.

Yup. After owning all of them, I wouldn't buy a Porsche sports car without them at this point.

No not at all. The folding buckets are available in 911's in all over Europe and it is maybe 1 in 50 cars....

Edit. Actually, it's around 1 out of 100 non GT 911's that have buckets

At 5'10, 185 lbs and fit, the lightweight buckets are more comfortable for me in my mid-30's than the sofas I had in my 2013 911 - period. My girlfriend shares the same opinion and nobody that I've taken for a trip has commented on the seats being uncomfortable. Everyone (okay only 4 people) has commented on how incredible the seat looked without being prompted. Since I don't ever see myself taking this car on a trip with more than a carry-on suitcase or a backpack, I didn't pick the folding buckets simply because the '918' style buckets look better to me. There aren't many parts in our 911's that were developed for a million dollar supercar. If you'd rather have the sofa seats that sell for a couple grand used on eBay and are commonly equipped on base model 718's then go ahead. I saw a black 2018 GT3 yesterday at my PPF shop and couldn't believe how spectacularly cheap the interior looked next to mine because of skipping a few thousand bucks in options on a 200k car.

The only problem I have with the buckets is it's basically impossible to get in without rubbing the bolster to some extent. After seeing the demonstration car at the Frankfurt show and noting how worn the bolsters were after only a couple days of use I invested in a pair of bolster covers.

If you're a bigger guy or you need access to the rear storage area then of course YMMV.

The 918-style lwb seat is the centerpiece of the interior. If you want your car to look like it cost what you paid for it then spec them.

Highly subjective... I think they are cool but also look a little childish, boy racer sort of. But hey, I just turned 40 so maybe it is an age thing.

But what you mainly don't seem to grasp is that some of us think the buckets also are uncomfortable, you think it is about saving a few bucks 🤣🤣

LWB and the sweater is free.

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:p

The folding buckets are more special.

Are my assumptions right? Question is on the possibility of the combinations. Will PAG make me do some other full CXX that triggers a bunch of other options?

I have spent the last week getting in and out of a friends LWB and feel more comfy with the in/out effort (wife might feel different but this won't be a DD)

Tipping point for me could be getting a NO to the CXX on the sofas.

$2,640 18 way
$2,020 w/Leather Seat Back with Deviated Stitch (already doing GT Silver deviated everywhere else)
$3,200 (assumption) for CXX Houndstooth / Pepita if possible
$7,660 TOTAL
VS.
$5200 LWB
$3200 For CXX Inserts in HT / Pepita
$8,400 TOTAL

I 100% agree. I spent months debating weather to get 18 way sofas or buckets for a winged GT3. I ended up getting buckets. I am so happy with my decision. I love those seats, they are the best. Getting in and out of the car you will get used to over a short period of time but once you are in the car driving you would appreciate how good the buckets are. It's part of the driving experience for a GT car winged or not winged. You sit low strapped into the seat, your legs are straighter, just feels awesome. I had a previous Carrera S with 14 way seats and i currently use Cayenne GTS as a daily driver with 8 way seats. The buckets are the best!
At the end of the day you choose what you like but i don't think comfy seats are made for a GT car. Good luck:)

Thank you all. I ended up going with buckets. Couldn't resist the looks of them, I also had a chance to sit in my friend's GT3 for an extended ride and while a PITA to get in/out, they're actually quite comfortable.

I was recently ordering a GT3 T before the GM at my dealer called and offered me an RS allocation. Florian at Exclusive told me that the standard insert which runs 3k was not available to due to capacity and the only way to get it was to do the full seat customization which runs 8k. Fortunately the Rs made the decision null. So make sure you get confirmation.