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Originally Posted by jo_ker
good point.
i think GT4, R, .2GT3 gearbox is better do a better "klick" / is "cleaner" as the 997 gearboxes. |
The 991 GT3 is better than the 997 RS 4.0 in every way, but i would trade my GT3 for it in a second. |
I like my .1RS more than the 997 3.8RS I had but mostly it had to do with the transmission. GT4, and my GT3.2 MT are much better. Unless I could sell it, I would not trade my 991RS, one of my favorite cars ever, for any 997. |
These “last of” thread always crack me up. Lets start with one of these: https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...47a300d35.jpeg Last of the “Air Cooled” cars. It was the end of the world. Despite the fact that many of the racing cars were water cooled so they could actually make power. Not to mention the fact that these things in stock form are slow and don’t rev. To me what is special about this car is not the air cooled aspect, its the clink of the doors when you get in and out along with the shape of the cockpit and the classic Porsche dash. Next came the last manual RS: https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...9da4d25c9.jpeg The new 991 didn’t have an engine with racing heritage blah blah blah. Most guys on the boards complaining about no manual and the death of the Metzger never actually shifted a 991 at 9K RPM. Made the hair stand up on your neck. And we won’t get into how great a 991 turns given RWS etc. But a 997 is special, more for the noises it makes and again the size and feel of the cabin, just more intimate than a 991. Now we have last of the NA GT cars. I hope that drives a frenzy because everytime it happens these cars hold value and its icing on the cake, but who here thinks that a GT2RS isn’t a great experience and a precursor to the next gen GT cars? So lets keep talking up the old cars, just makes owning one even better but for all the wrong reasons! |
If you want nostalgia, the 996 GT3 was the best one. Especially with a 4.0! :)
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This argument in my opinion is similar to who is a better player - Michael Jordan or Lebron James.( Watching SportsCenetr right now and just sort of popped in my mind)
You can not win the argument - different time/generation/game ect. |
Originally Posted by Jimmy-D
(Post 14793864)
This argument in my opinion is similar to who is a better player - Michael Jordan or Lebron James.( Watching SportsCenetr right now and just sort of popped in my mind)
You can not win the argument - different time/generation/game ect. |
Originally Posted by Msmatt
These “last of” thread always crack me up. Lets start with one of these: https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...47a300d35.jpeg Last of the “Air Cooled” cars. It was the end of the world. Despite the fact that many of the racing cars were water cooled so they could actually make power. Not to mention the fact that these things in stock form are slow and don’t rev. To me what is special about this car is not the air cooled aspect, its the clink of the doors when you get in and out along with the shape of the cockpit and the classic Porsche dash. Next came the last manual RS: https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...9da4d25c9.jpeg The new 991 didn’t have an engine with racing heritage blah blah blah. Most guys on the boards complaining about no manual and the death of the Metzger never actually shifted a 991 at 9K RPM. Made the hair stand up on your neck. And we won’t get into how great a 991 turns given RWS etc. But a 997 is special, more for the noises it makes and again the size and feel of the cabin, just more intimate than a 991. Now we have last of the NA GT cars. I hope that drives a frenzy because everytime it happens these cars hold value and its icing on the cake, but who here thinks that a GT2RS isn’t a great experience and a precursor to the next gen GT cars? So lets keep talking up the old cars, just makes owning one even better but for all the wrong reasons! |
Drove the 4.0 to the 991.2gt3 launch last year. Lovely road trip with my daughter. Picture attached is on the ferry between Germany and Denmark. The 4.0 is a special car, my favorite in my small collection, the engine is awesome. The gearbox is a bit clunky but has a nice feel to it. Haven’t driven the MT in the R or new 991.2gt3. (Launch car was PDK). However I have driven the gt4 and thought the gearbox was a step up from the 4.0. Love the super heavy clutch and weigh of the pedal in the 4.0, I never drive it in traffic. Only spiritual driving. The 991.2gt3 was amazing. The want factor is very big. I loved the PDK. No doubt I would get a PDK in 991GT cars. Obviously makes it simpler when I have a few MT 911s in the garage. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...be941920a.jpeg |
we don´t know till now exactly what the WP will contain in the .2RS. and what the .2RS will be in detail.
i heard already two times... wait... 4.2l - but only with WP. :D (i don´t believe in it. and source unknown..) to stay fair: apples with apples. :) i guess some would also take a 997.2GT3 over a 997.1GT3RS |
Originally Posted by fxz
(Post 14793268)
Who cares GT3.2 engine is better, gearbox is better, suspension is better, performance is better,
and guess what is naturally aspirated 9k rpm 6 speed manual transmission 4liters no hybrid or damn turbo |
Originally Posted by jo_ker
(Post 14794633)
we don´t know till now exactly what the WP will contain in the .2RS. and what the .2RS will be in detail.
i heard already two times... wait... 4.2l - but only with WP. :D (i don´t believe in it. and source unknown..) to stay fair: apples with apples. :) i guess some would also take a 997.2GT3 over a 997.1GT3RS Very true that 997.2gt3 was a nice upgrade from 997.1rs. Especially going to that 3.8l. I`m really impressed with all 991gt models. Haven’t driven the gt2rs yet. But, what’s not to like? The 991.2rs wont be a 4.2l. It will be great even if it “only” has 520hp. I would choose a 991.2gt3 over a 991.2rs. I just love how the outside and interior design matches on the 991gt3. To me the RS looks a bit overdesigned on the outside and I’m not a fan of the turbo side intakes. Another thing that is slightly annoying is the ongoing option sales pitch. Historically an RS was made as light as possible by the team. Why is all of a sudden lightness an option? Either build in WP or don’t. |
Originally Posted by jo_ker
(Post 14793318)
this thread need more 4.0 pics.
best next to a 991 :) https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...a6d2437331.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlis...787349bbc4.jpg
Originally Posted by rickman_fr
(Post 14793411)
Sorry, but, it was not the question !
But if want to debate about that. let's talk about it and here is my opinion. Better the 991.2 GT3, I don't think so. Different, I think so. No better engine, for sure. the mezger is quite special , pushing hard from low rpms, not linear, with a true racing sound. Ok, the limiter is at 8500 rpm so you're able to stay on lower gear with 991.2 GT3 and accelerate stronger. ok the clutch and manual gear box are for men in the 997 RS 4.0 and the chassis is more "911" with understeer than the 991. The balance is more "911" style with the obligation to make a degressiv breaking before the curve to make the car turns. and if you talk about performances, don't forget you can put slick tires on 997 RS 4.0, so, you can say bye bye to the 991.2 GT3 on a track considering also that the RS 4.0 is lighter. but the question is not only with performances. Any way, it would be normal to point that the last is always the best. But, it's also a question of pleasure, and in that area, RS 4.0 remains one of the best and may be the best opus of Porsche Motorsport.
Originally Posted by Serge944
(Post 14793847)
If you want nostalgia, the 996 GT3 was the best one. Especially with a 4.0! :)
it can dance very well and not for the faint of heart. |
Originally Posted by Serge944
(Post 14793847)
If you want nostalgia, the 996 GT3 was the best one. Especially with a 4.0! :)
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