Porsche GT3 Cup Race Abandoned After Huge Crash Sends Four Drivers To The Hospital
07-02-2017, 03:19 PM
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I got lucky to avoid it- was serving a drive through penalty and saw a bunch of my compadres mangled. Looked like a bomb went off.
Really not sure if WGI should be on the cup car schedule with as little wiggle room the track allows. Our rain race the next day saw another 5-8 cars whack into tire barriers.
Really not sure if WGI should be on the cup car schedule with as little wiggle room the track allows. Our rain race the next day saw another 5-8 cars whack into tire barriers.
Am curious though having never been at this track, were the follow on collisions due to lack of flag stations or slow flags (realizing it happens fast)?
07-02-2017, 03:42 PM
#18
Looks like it happened right at or just before T2, which seems to me to be a strange and fairly innocuous place but of course in racing anything can happen anytime. Much better there than up in the Esses, where speeds are greater and room tighter.
Hope for a speedy and full recovery for all.
I am not a golfer but WGI is like Augusta and not driving there is missing out on an amazing track and venue.
CJ--Really glad to hear you weren't involved.
Hope for a speedy and full recovery for all.
I am not a golfer but WGI is like Augusta and not driving there is missing out on an amazing track and venue.
CJ--Really glad to hear you weren't involved.
Last edited by HelpMeHelpU; 07-02-2017 at 04:19 PM.
07-02-2017, 09:07 PM
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Looks like it was in between stations and that is a somewhat of a blind spot up that rise, at least that's what it seemed like to me. Sad to see.
07-03-2017, 01:31 AM
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The crash was in the esses.
In a spec class like GT3 cup you have to go ***** out right away in order to separate yourself.
The secondary accidents were caused by:
Guys not respecting a yellow
Teams not using spotters
Guys seeing the incident and then panicking - Locking up brakes and losing control
Careening off the Armco due to one of the above
Red mist from driving an epic track like Watkins Glen
Track being super narrow
The uphill esses are flat in 5th gear
Yellow flags not being waved soon enough
Conclusion:
The speed at which guys in my series drive under yellow is appalling frankly. Our first race at Sebring saw 3 crashes DURING YELLOWS-
Tires get cold, guys drive fast to try and catch the leaders who are way ahead AND driving too fast under yellow, brakes lock up, more accidents...red flags fly. Happens almost every weekend during practice or a race.
It very much is "ferrari challenge-itis"
Sad to see the guys get hurt as well. Hope they are all ok.
I had to serve a drive through penalty for replacing too many tires (flat spotted all four in qualifying) otherwise I might have been tangled up.
In a spec class like GT3 cup you have to go ***** out right away in order to separate yourself.
The secondary accidents were caused by:
Guys not respecting a yellow
Teams not using spotters
Guys seeing the incident and then panicking - Locking up brakes and losing control
Careening off the Armco due to one of the above
Red mist from driving an epic track like Watkins Glen
Track being super narrow
The uphill esses are flat in 5th gear
Yellow flags not being waved soon enough
Conclusion:
The speed at which guys in my series drive under yellow is appalling frankly. Our first race at Sebring saw 3 crashes DURING YELLOWS-
Tires get cold, guys drive fast to try and catch the leaders who are way ahead AND driving too fast under yellow, brakes lock up, more accidents...red flags fly. Happens almost every weekend during practice or a race.
It very much is "ferrari challenge-itis"
Sad to see the guys get hurt as well. Hope they are all ok.
I had to serve a drive through penalty for replacing too many tires (flat spotted all four in qualifying) otherwise I might have been tangled up.
07-03-2017, 08:49 AM
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The crash was in the esses.
In a spec class like GT3 cup you have to go ***** out right away in order to separate yourself.
The secondary accidents were caused by:
Guys not respecting a yellow
Teams not using spotters
Guys seeing the incident and then panicking - Locking up brakes and losing control
Careening off the Armco due to one of the above
Red mist from driving an epic track like Watkins Glen
Track being super narrow
The uphill esses are flat in 5th gear
Yellow flags not being waved soon enough
Conclusion:
The speed at which guys in my series drive under yellow is appalling frankly. Our first race at Sebring saw 3 crashes DURING YELLOWS-
Tires get cold, guys drive fast to try and catch the leaders who are way ahead AND driving too fast under yellow, brakes lock up, more accidents...red flags fly. Happens almost every weekend during practice or a race.
It very much is "ferrari challenge-itis"
Sad to see the guys get hurt as well. Hope they are all ok.
I had to serve a drive through penalty for replacing too many tires (flat spotted all four in qualifying) otherwise I might have been tangled up.
In a spec class like GT3 cup you have to go ***** out right away in order to separate yourself.
The secondary accidents were caused by:
Guys not respecting a yellow
Teams not using spotters
Guys seeing the incident and then panicking - Locking up brakes and losing control
Careening off the Armco due to one of the above
Red mist from driving an epic track like Watkins Glen
Track being super narrow
The uphill esses are flat in 5th gear
Yellow flags not being waved soon enough
Conclusion:
The speed at which guys in my series drive under yellow is appalling frankly. Our first race at Sebring saw 3 crashes DURING YELLOWS-
Tires get cold, guys drive fast to try and catch the leaders who are way ahead AND driving too fast under yellow, brakes lock up, more accidents...red flags fly. Happens almost every weekend during practice or a race.
It very much is "ferrari challenge-itis"
Sad to see the guys get hurt as well. Hope they are all ok.
I had to serve a drive through penalty for replacing too many tires (flat spotted all four in qualifying) otherwise I might have been tangled up.
07-03-2017, 11:35 AM
#26
This came out from IMSA this weekend. From their Twitter.
Update on drivers involved in Porsche GT3 Cup incident at Watkins Glen:
Update on Porsche GT3 Cup Challange drivers who where transported to area hospitals following an incident in Friday's race:
No. 01 driver Jeff Mosing was treated and released.
No. 2 driver Etienne Borgeat, No. 3 Trenton Estep and No. 83 driver Stephen Tullman all were admitted to area hospitals for treatment for injuries that are not life threatening.
Additional information will be provided as it becomes available.
Update on drivers involved in Porsche GT3 Cup incident at Watkins Glen:
Update on Porsche GT3 Cup Challange drivers who where transported to area hospitals following an incident in Friday's race:
No. 01 driver Jeff Mosing was treated and released.
No. 2 driver Etienne Borgeat, No. 3 Trenton Estep and No. 83 driver Stephen Tullman all were admitted to area hospitals for treatment for injuries that are not life threatening.
Additional information will be provided as it becomes available.
07-03-2017, 11:52 AM
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CJ-glad to hear you avoided all the paint swapping...
07-03-2017, 04:41 PM
#28
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Yup - Mosport Turn 2 has for me the most "pucker factor" of any of the tracks I've been to, more so than the kink at Road America and even the flat left-hander in the infield at Daytona...Guess I'm not taking the esses at WGI fast enough!
CJ-glad to hear you avoided all the paint swapping...
CJ-glad to hear you avoided all the paint swapping...
, so an off is not catastrophic)---car compression into 5a is like no other track I've been to!oh yeah, I brake for turn 2 but not for 4
and no lifting up the esses---straight WOT from apex of 1 to brake zone for bus stop!
07-03-2017, 05:42 PM
#29
Conclusion:
The speed at which guys in my series drive under yellow is appalling frankly. Our first race at Sebring saw 3 crashes DURING YELLOWS-
Tires get cold, guys drive fast to try and catch the leaders who are way ahead AND driving too fast under yellow, brakes lock up, more accidents...red flags fly. Happens almost every weekend during practice or a race.
It very much is "ferrari challenge-itis"
Sad to see the guys get hurt as well. Hope they are all ok.
The speed at which guys in my series drive under yellow is appalling frankly. Our first race at Sebring saw 3 crashes DURING YELLOWS-
Tires get cold, guys drive fast to try and catch the leaders who are way ahead AND driving too fast under yellow, brakes lock up, more accidents...red flags fly. Happens almost every weekend during practice or a race.
It very much is "ferrari challenge-itis"
Sad to see the guys get hurt as well. Hope they are all ok.
Is there a series where that type of violation is actually policed correctly?
07-04-2017, 03:38 PM
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To be fair, a yellow flag only means caution, there is accident, blockage, debris, etc in motorsports, it doesn't have a set speed for slowing down. Just that no passing allowed.