.2GT3 mechanical LSD info - 6MT
Instead of speculating on what the value of my car will be 10 years from now, I'd rather discuss much more important topics like......the old school mechanical locking LSD in the .2 GT3.
Will it just be a 911R LSD, or perhaps more of a Cup LSD? Are we dealing with something still like the 997 generation LSD's in terms of friction materials, etc. etc. ? Because those sucked frankly, and I haven't heard anything about the 911R LSD. Given the 911R's "street car" marketing, then perhaps the locking factors (ramp angles) for the GT3 would be more aggressive, if they went that route. They did upgrade the 6MT units (in both the GT4 and GT3), now with self adjusting pressure plates, dual disc clutches, etc., so one would think they would also apply some needed attention to the LSD's too. I'm looking forward to experts like Guard and others chiming in. ;) I would imagine they were pleased with Porsche's change of heart, because now they get to sell LSD upgrades to GT3 nuts like us. |
I don't understand why they are making this retrograde move other than if the firmware for the e-diff is imbedded in the PDK controller. In which case it is hard to justify a stand alone controller development for a car that will not account for more than 30% of global sales of a very limited model. In any case what this really says is Porsche doesn't expect and will not equip the manual GT3 to challenge the PDK variant on the track, no matter how skillful the driver with a manual.
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The manual doesn't use the e-diff because the e-diff needs the hydraulic feed from the PDK which of course it doesn't have... hence a normal LSD..
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Originally Posted by Mvez
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Will it just be a 911R LSD, or perhaps more of a Cup LSD? Are we dealing with something still like the 997 generation LSD's in terms of friction materials, etc. etc. ? Because those sucked frankly, and I haven't heard anything about the 911R LSD. Given the 911R's "street car" marketing, then perhaps the locking factors (ramp angles) for the GT3 would be more aggressive, if they went that route.
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Originally Posted by GrantG
The locking ratios have been published (forget the numbers), and they are more aggressive both on acceleration and braking than the ones published for the 911R. But, I have no information about whether or not the internals are any different/better than 911R and/or 997 GT3.
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Originally Posted by montoya
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I don't understand why they are making this retrograde move other than if the firmware for the e-diff is imbedded in the PDK controller. In which case it is hard to justify a stand alone controller development for a car that will not account for more than 30% of global sales of a very limited model. In any case what this really says is Porsche doesn't expect and will not equip the manual GT3 to challenge the PDK variant on the track, no matter how skillful the driver with a manual.
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Originally Posted by CAlexio
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Did the diff on the 997 GT3 wear out under normal street and occasional track use?
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This was the first question I raised when the Manual was announced that if they beefed up the Diff for the 991.
Will be interesting to learn if any one has this data. Would be silly if they did not address this |
My 997 GT3's diff went out from track use and many of them did. Guard has an LSD upgrade that a lot of people did.
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This is definitely the most pertinent question with regards to the MT. From what I understand of the ediff on the PDK cars, it makes a big difference. So by definition, the MT should lack in this area. Journos are still raving though, so either that's rose tinted glasses or Porsche once again found a secret recipe. Would love to try two cars back to back on a track with tight corners and lots of space.
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Originally Posted by GrantG
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The locking ratios have been published (forget the numbers), and they are more aggressive both on acceleration and braking than the ones published for the 911R. But, I have no information about whether or not the internals are any different/better than 911R and/or 997 GT3.
Originally Posted by GrantG
(Post 14267657)
They could use a small electrically driven hydraulic pump if they wanted (they should also connect it to the steering, while they're at it ;) ), but they opted not to. With regard to challenging the PDK-S performance: Since the manual is only 3 seconds slower over the 13 mile Nordschliefe, I'd say there is minimal performance compromise to the mechanical diff (assuming it lasts for awhile)....
Not to mention, for long-term ownership, replacement and service costs should be less in theory as well (same goes for the 6MT tranny). |
Found it the data......
.2GT3: 30% on power, 37% on decel 911 R: 22% on power, 27% on decel and simply for reference.... 997 GT3: 28% on power, 40% on decel Looks like they did give it considerable more locking than the R. Now look forward to seeing info on the internals. :corn: |
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Quite a few 997 gt3's when the stock lsd internals fried they went with a 60/40 set up for track even to 80/50 lockup. Stock 996 gt3 stock is 60/40. Hopefully it's not the pos brass internals inside lsd. Mike
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Originally Posted by 996FLT6
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Quite a few 997 gt3's when the stock lsd internals fried they went with a 60/40 set up for track even to 80/50 lockup. Stock 996 gt3 stock is 60/40. Hopefully it's not the pos brass internals inside lsd. Mike
I'm guessing the 991 Cup internals can also be used, like on the 997's as well, which would be another nice option. A lot of guys really liked the 997 Cup LSD setups.....it didn't seem to have quite the longevity of the Guard, but the performance was very good too. |
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