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23.40%
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12.06%
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How Much Do You Track Your 991 GT3 or RS?

Old 06-15-2017, 02:35 PM
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Orthojoe you ^nailed it^ right there
Old 06-15-2017, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
For those of you who don't track the car much (or at all), why not? Don't track much generally? Desire to preserve the car or its market value? Cost of going to the track? Prefer to track a faster, safer, cheaper, and/or track-only car?
I don't track my car. I race autocross. Typically 12 to 14 events per year, which works out to a total of 200 to 210 miles of autocross per year. I don't think that days or miles of autocross are comparable to track days.


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Old 06-15-2017, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by alpine-al
I don't track my car. I race autocross. Typically 12 to 14 events per year, which works out to a total of 200 to 210 miles of autocross per year. I don't think that days or miles of autocross are comparable to track days.


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I think in many ways they are harder on the cars. Especially drop shift (or PDK starts), throwing car into the corners, the extremely fast, rapid full G loading and turning.

Track driving, while faster, tends to be less 'abrupt' than autocross. I really don't see how its less hard not the car mile for mile.

That said, these cars can take it.
Old 06-15-2017, 02:59 PM
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I hadn't looked at this thread for awhile and did so again today. I too find the survey interesting, in a positive way. While it is probably a biased poll given it is on Rennlist, nevertheless, it is good to see there are a lot of folks who at least try out the track, and quite a few who keep at it.

As a PCA DE instructor who drives an older non-GT 997, it talks everything I can muster to try to keep up with the 997/991 Gt3 crowd in the red run group, but for me, that's the fun part. Although truth be told, I don't really keep up with them, I just try to impede them less.
Old 06-15-2017, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
^ mass27, no disagreement with any of the above, and no intention on my part to judge anyone's decisions.

A question though: if someone's making $200K/year, is it a good value to spend $150K on a car which will surely depreciate, even if not driven? FWIW, on the road, I enjoy my 997 more than the GT3, and the 997 can be bought used for under $50K and then it won't depreciate much after that.
I define the term value vis a vis a luxury, selfish purchase differently than I look at value in relation to a stock, house, investment. I define value in a GT car as "how does it make me feel." This is not a quantifiable number. And, even if you want to quantify it, it is impossible to have a direct relationship to anyone else's number. So, it can't be standardized like most other purchases.

Maybe escaping to the garage and sitting in the car while reading the owner's manual is 1,455,983 points of value to me.
Old 06-15-2017, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mass27
I agree with you. Unfortunately, I have read a lot of "theory" on RL that in order to like/deserve/experience/appreciate the GT cars, you need to track them.
What I can say about the 991 GT3 in particular, after about 7K track miles and 25K total miles:

- The car is comfortable but a bit boring at normal road speeds.

- The car is fun when driven fast on the road, but it's not easy to find roads where doing that is safe enough.

- The car is a bit boring when driven well under its limits on track.

- The car is thrilling when driven hard on the track, plays like a fine musical instrument. The pace is far beyond what's feasible on the road.

My enjoyment of driving the car on the road is surely diminished by the experience of driving it hard on track and knowing what the car can do when wound up.
Old 06-15-2017, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
What I can say about the 991 GT3 in particular, after about 7K track miles and 25K total miles:

- The car is comfortable but a bit boring at normal road speeds.

- The car is fun when driven fast on the road, but it's not easy to find roads where doing that is safe enough.

- The car is a bit boring when driven well under its limits on track.

- The car is thrilling when driven hard on the track, plays like a fine musical instrument. The pace is far beyond what's feasible on the road.

My enjoyment of driving the car on the road is surely diminished by the experience of driving it hard on track and knowing what the car can do when wound up.
Then, you might have just converted me! Now, do you give lessons?
Old 06-15-2017, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
As others have noted, it's meant to be days, not DEs. I've attended track events which ranged from 1 to 3 days.
Okay. Well, for whatever reason I mentally read it with DE being the unit of measure.

My response should have been 11-15 days/year.
Old 06-15-2017, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
For those of you who don't track the car much (or at all), why not? Don't track much generally? Desire to preserve the car or its market value? Cost of going to the track? Prefer to track a faster, safer, cheaper, and/or track-only car?
I don't mind tracking mine occasionally, but I view my GT3 primarily as a track capable street car. It is a street car, and that was what I bought it for. A weekend toy. Spirited drives. If I wanted to get serious about tracking, I would get a track-only car, or an e46 beater.

I feel that my GT3 is too nice to beat like that. But that's ME.
Old 06-15-2017, 05:10 PM
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USCTrojan, I will keep an eye out for the sign-ups for BW in Nov. I used to be licensed for POC as late as 2102. Would PCA require a check-off drive?

I will bring my brother if we can clear the calendars. He has a 997.2 GT3 but mostly races his Radical SR3 these days.

Old 06-15-2017, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mass27
Then, you might have just converted me! Now, do you give lessons?
Turns out that I've instructed/coached quite a few drivers in 991 GT3s.
Old 06-15-2017, 09:24 PM
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I don't track mine either. I feel it is a compromise to have a dual purpose car as you give up something in either direction. Dedicated track car makes more sense for me and zero track days for my RS but it is a fun weekend driver
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Great poll and interesting results thus far
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Originally Posted by Manifold
What I can say about the 991 GT3 in particular, after about 7K track miles and 25K total miles:

- The car is comfortable but a bit boring at normal road speeds.

- The car is fun when driven fast on the road, but it's not easy to find roads where doing that is safe enough.

- The car is a bit boring when driven well under its limits on track.

- The car is thrilling when driven hard on the track, plays like a fine musical instrument. The pace is far beyond what's feasible on the road.

My enjoyment of driving the car on the road is surely diminished by the experience of driving it hard on track and knowing what the car can do when wound up.
Once I started to drive wheel to wheel in race conditions, track days became boring for me. I don't care how exciting the car is.


Originally Posted by robmypro
I don't mind tracking mine occasionally, but I view my GT3 primarily as a track capable street car. It is a street car, and that was what I bought it for. A weekend toy. Spirited drives. If I wanted to get serious about tracking, I would get a track-only car, or an e46 beater.

I feel that my GT3 is too nice to beat like that. But that's ME.
Hey that's me too. I have a dedicated race car. 0 track days with the GT3 now and into the future unless I stop racing.

And yes I go to the gym to 'tone up' LOL. Been known to take the GT3 to a cars and coffee too! Guess that's why I own a Vette now.

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