96redLT4

....in order to satisfy the apparent demand. Is the profit margin higher per car on Macan/Cayenne/Panamera. I would think it would be lower on less expensive cars. I read somewhere that all 911 variants are made on the same line by the same crew and fewer people seem to want the regular 911s. Is production really that limited??

Jim

Whoopsy

Macan/Cayenne/Panamera are made at Leipzig, 911/718 are made in Zuffenhausen.

Leipzig has tons of room to expand, Zuffenhausen practically nil. Especially with the Mission E taking up space being made there.

The Zuffenhausen line is at full capacity, just under 280 cars a day.

The GT department can crank out around 4000 cars a year and that's also full capacity.

Despite what's posting in here about demand, in the real world Porsche sells far more regular 911/718 than GT cars. The GT cars used to be a 'specialist' car, for running full time or occasional track duties. But the last few years people found out they are actually rare in production and keeping value pretty good, hence the exploded demand. Who doesn't want a car they can drive 'for free' or even make a profit?

Then add people who wants NA engines instead of turbo ones, these guys are flocking to the GT cars too adding the demand.

How many here are really using these GT cars as they are intended for, as in going to a track and track the cars? GT3 is a street car that can stand its own on a track day. GT3RS is a track car that can also be driven on the street.

usctrojanGT3

I do, I've tracked every GT car that I've owned and will continue to track all future GT cars that I buy, guess I'm just a nutter.

Question is can they shift production capacity from building 718/911 cars to GT cars?

NiteCrawlr

Lets hope they can! Just got into my first gt3 (991.1) after not being able to secure an allocation on a 991.2 and currently use it as dual purpose daily driver with sporadic track days. Couldn't be happier. From previous sparse track experiences in other cars I did not think I would enjoy it more on the track than on spirited road drives bit it's really a whole different ballgame in the gt3 and now I couldn't imagine not getting on track at least every few months to enjoy the full experience that these cars bring. You just can't replicate that on the road. With that being said I hope everybody who wants this experience can do so in the future and at MSRP which will likely mandate a higher production unless there really are more people buying these cars as investors than as drivers and enthusiasts.

Spyerx

Ideal capacity is n-1

I think everyone that wants one gets one.

Patience.

Mussl Kar

Last Fall wifey and took a factory tour of the plant in Stuttgart where all 911 / 718 variations are produced. All made on the same line in no particular order. We watched them make all variations. Did something change?

fxz

Exclusive marketing department

Whoopsy

Name? You called it Stuttgart I called it Zufenhausen.

Nothing has changed. That combined line is at full capacity. Theoretically Porsche could shift some production slots from regular cars to GT cars but the GT department is maxed at around 4000 a year, which is already the current production rate.

When you were there, the construction of the Mission E line should be already at full steam.

JDHertz11

Same place, different name. Zuffenhausen region of Stuttgart...

STG

Why can't they, or WHY DON'T THEY WANT TO is the question that should be asked?

It's their intention to make less than demand, is it that hard to see??

Different marketing strategy than the 991 Carrera models. They've even tightened up allocations on those.

They also have a vested interest in maintaining strong resale values to support their already high MSRP's. Anyone that thinks these cars are underpriced for new MSRP's is smoking something.

Not to mention, the sports car market isn't a growth one overall across all brands with nothing to get excited about in the future either. Porsche is counting on all other non sports car models for growth and that's where the investment in production is going.

Porsche is even struggling with sports car sales right now. Sales are flat or slightly down for Carrera's and especially 718's.

Craigy

They absolutely can but, as said above, don't want to.

Anything about limitatiions of production lines is BS.

rai

how would it work, if I want a GT3 but can wait 3-4 years. I'm paying for kids education but will be out of the woods in 3-4 years and able to buy whatever I want, but I want a new car and I don't want to pay over MSRP..

So is there a way for me to put my name on a list early with a deposit for future GT car?

STG

All these subjects have been beat to death here. Nothing new.

They use the GT cars as incentives and bonuses for dealers. Why would they give that up?? One HUGE ace card in their hand. Can ANYONE dispute this?

They care more about their business interests than pleasing any enthusiast or loyal customers. They want to move their bread and butter models they make the real $$$ on. The GT cars are just halo cars at this point and make for good marketing to sell all the other stuff.

With guys here that most are probably in the top 5% or higher tax bracket, I'm shocked how many don't understand business or at least why Porsche does what they do. If it's one thing Porsche is good at, it's making lots of money with HIGH profit margins.

evilfij

Yup. Put down a deposit now, a year or three and you will be at the top of the list to buy.

96redLT4

Good info, and I think this is probably the best assessment. Porsche is a car company that wants to make money, no? I ordered, waited, and paid for my 991 GTS with a standard transmission figuring it was the last Porsche I would ever buy new. The new GT3 is desirable enough for me to want one. Does Porsche really not want my $175K? Its not as if I'm going to say 'well I can't get a GT3 so I'll settle for a 4 cylinder Boxster with a PDK'. It's all good. I'm happy with my car if I can't get the new one that I want

Jim