Need advise from ex 997.2 RS owners
05-22-2017, 08:38 PM
#16
Instructor
Thread Starter
I agree with CJ that the 997rs is a more personal and rewarding car.
The 991rs you can flog around racetracks and put miles on without thinking to much about value.
Would be harder for me to do that with a 2000 mile 997.2rs (very rare car especially PTS)
Once you start worrying about value it puts a dent in the enjoyment. Ask me how I know.
You cant really go wrong.
The 991rs you can flog around racetracks and put miles on without thinking to much about value.
Would be harder for me to do that with a 2000 mile 997.2rs (very rare car especially PTS)
Once you start worrying about value it puts a dent in the enjoyment. Ask me how I know.
You cant really go wrong.
I've owned both and IMO I would not go back. It's easy to remember the great days of the old girlfriend and quickly forget the shortfalls. The 991 is a better car all around but likes and dislikes are always someones opinion. Here in the States a 991 is worth more so I would not do an even trade and if a dealer is willing to do it, it should raise a red flag. My 997.2 was my favorite car until my 991.1 showed up.
Good luck with whatever you do. I am confident you will get a bunch of different views here.
Good luck with whatever you do. I am confident you will get a bunch of different views here.
Interesting question and one I'm asking myself right now . I'm selling my low spec 991 RS which to me was a perfect build , but the 997 .2 might be a good fit for me if I could find the right color and radio delete etc . The progression from the .1 to the 991 RS expands out to include a lot more technology with the .1 being very close to a regular GT3 and the .2 adding some more displacement and carbon fiber . Once you get to a 991 it almost seems like a space ship with the carbon nose , mag roof , 4.0 , PDK-S , etc . Maybe that middle ground would work for you - starting to think it would for me .
05-22-2017, 08:44 PM
#17
Instructor
Thread Starter
This is the car in question:
https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/d...14703514/?Cr=4
This is the other 997.2 for sale:
https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/d...13753691/?Cr=8
991 RS listings from 489k - 570k, so as you can see the market price is pretty hard to gauge.
https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/d...14703514/?Cr=4
This is the other 997.2 for sale:
https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/d...13753691/?Cr=8
991 RS listings from 489k - 570k, so as you can see the market price is pretty hard to gauge.
05-22-2017, 08:57 PM
#18
This is the car in question:
https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/d...14703514/?Cr=4
This is the other 997.2 for sale:
https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/d...13753691/?Cr=8
991 RS listings from 489k - 570k, so as you can see the market price is pretty hard to gauge.
https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/d...14703514/?Cr=4
This is the other 997.2 for sale:
https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/d...13753691/?Cr=8
991 RS listings from 489k - 570k, so as you can see the market price is pretty hard to gauge.
05-23-2017, 08:54 AM
#19
I'm most familiar with the Euro market. There are always plenty of 997.2 RSs for sale but less than 10,000 km is very rare and most are 20-40k. I would say very low km ones are similar in price to the 991 RS at the moment but over the last 12 months 997.2 RS prices have remained steady while 991 RSs have fallen and will continue to do so as the 991.2 RS release approaches. By the end of the 992 the 991.1 will be a low point in RS history whereas the 997.2 is established as one of the greats.
I have a 997 4.0 and when I had a ride in a 991 RS it made me appreciate the 997 all the more. Obviously the later car is more competent in performance and ease of use but I much prefer the way the 997 follows the contours of the road (while still being pretty comfortable) rather than being even more comfortable but more remote. The PDK changes were very impressive the but the feel and sound left me cold. If the steering of the 991 RS is anything like that of the GT4 then there is no comparison with the feel of the 997, particularly in the wet.
If you're going to do a lot of km it would make financial sense to avoid the premium of a really low km car. However if you look after your cars it is very nice to start with one that is virtually new, it will always have less km than if you bought one with more, and it is the sort of car you might never sell, in which case depreciation is not an issue. I think 997.2 RS values will rise again and as very few come on the Australian market, prices of higher km cars might rise to the level of the one you are looking at by the time you find a good one. I would grab the opportunity if the car is as good as it looks.
I have a 997 4.0 and when I had a ride in a 991 RS it made me appreciate the 997 all the more. Obviously the later car is more competent in performance and ease of use but I much prefer the way the 997 follows the contours of the road (while still being pretty comfortable) rather than being even more comfortable but more remote. The PDK changes were very impressive the but the feel and sound left me cold. If the steering of the 991 RS is anything like that of the GT4 then there is no comparison with the feel of the 997, particularly in the wet.
If you're going to do a lot of km it would make financial sense to avoid the premium of a really low km car. However if you look after your cars it is very nice to start with one that is virtually new, it will always have less km than if you bought one with more, and it is the sort of car you might never sell, in which case depreciation is not an issue. I think 997.2 RS values will rise again and as very few come on the Australian market, prices of higher km cars might rise to the level of the one you are looking at by the time you find a good one. I would grab the opportunity if the car is as good as it looks.
05-23-2017, 09:41 AM
#20
Instructor
Thread Starter
I'm most familiar with the Euro market. There are always plenty of 997.2 RSs for sale but less than 10,000 km is very rare and most are 20-40k. I would say very low km ones are similar in price to the 991 RS at the moment but over the last 12 months 997.2 RS prices have remained steady while 991 RSs have fallen and will continue to do so as the 991.2 RS release approaches. By the end of the 992 the 991.1 will be a low point in RS history whereas the 997.2 is established as one of the greats.
I have a 997 4.0 and when I had a ride in a 991 RS it made me appreciate the 997 all the more. Obviously the later car is more competent in performance and ease of use but I much prefer the way the 997 follows the contours of the road (while still being pretty comfortable) rather than being even more comfortable but more remote. The PDK changes were very impressive the but the feel and sound left me cold. If the steering of the 991 RS is anything like that of the GT4 then there is no comparison with the feel of the 997, particularly in the wet.
If you're going to do a lot of km it would make financial sense to avoid the premium of a really low km car. However if you look after your cars it is very nice to start with one that is virtually new, it will always have less km than if you bought one with more, and it is the sort of car you might never sell, in which case depreciation is not an issue. I think 997.2 RS values will rise again and as very few come on the Australian market, prices of higher km cars might rise to the level of the one you are looking at by the time you find a good one. I would grab the opportunity if the car is as good as it looks.
I have a 997 4.0 and when I had a ride in a 991 RS it made me appreciate the 997 all the more. Obviously the later car is more competent in performance and ease of use but I much prefer the way the 997 follows the contours of the road (while still being pretty comfortable) rather than being even more comfortable but more remote. The PDK changes were very impressive the but the feel and sound left me cold. If the steering of the 991 RS is anything like that of the GT4 then there is no comparison with the feel of the 997, particularly in the wet.
If you're going to do a lot of km it would make financial sense to avoid the premium of a really low km car. However if you look after your cars it is very nice to start with one that is virtually new, it will always have less km than if you bought one with more, and it is the sort of car you might never sell, in which case depreciation is not an issue. I think 997.2 RS values will rise again and as very few come on the Australian market, prices of higher km cars might rise to the level of the one you are looking at by the time you find a good one. I would grab the opportunity if the car is as good as it looks.
Thanks everyone!
05-23-2017, 10:25 AM
#22
Instructor
Thread Starter
It's not just the manual gearbox though - hydraulic steering, mezger engine, a more challenging car with the 997.2
05-30-2017, 09:51 AM
#25
Burning Brakes
05-30-2017, 09:34 PM
#26
Rennlist Member
I have driven on street and track the 991gt/991rs and well, my 997rs is still in the garage. Despite being clearly the better car, they didn't make me want to jump and move into one. I did jump to a gt4 that after a few dates left me feeling the same way... I'm a driver though and a low mile car like that would never find its way into my garage. T
If collecting I think the 997 is the more interesting car given pts and your market.
we'll see if the 991.2 changes my point of view.
or I just end up like Peter and buy more old stuff. 964s are tasty.
If collecting I think the 997 is the more interesting car given pts and your market.
we'll see if the 991.2 changes my point of view.
or I just end up like Peter and buy more old stuff. 964s are tasty.
05-30-2017, 10:05 PM
#27
Nordschleife Master
05-31-2017, 05:31 AM
#28
Rennlist Member
Recent .2RS PTS with low miles have sold here for crazy amounts of money. I think they are very special cars and the world will concur over time.
Given where 991RS prices are it feels like a no brainer even if your plan is to drive it.
Personally I prefer the 991RS but if the experience you want is the 997 I would do it.
Given where 991RS prices are it feels like a no brainer even if your plan is to drive it.
Personally I prefer the 991RS but if the experience you want is the 997 I would do it.
and congrats to your correct
decision! 
05-31-2017, 07:01 AM
#29
05-31-2017, 08:39 AM
#30
Rennlist Member
for personal reward --> 997
a business like Jono got - 1to1 against a low milage 997.2RS PTS - you have to agree! 991rs everybody will be able to buy as soon the .2GT3 and RS are incoming...
570 - i had 3 electrical issues, doors scratches body paint, two different rattling noises,... it was a blast to look at it and also to drive it. But all this little hiccups/problems i do have already with my Caterhams... this i do not need at 200k cars.
and yeah: old discussion: turbo is turbo... and this engine combined with the perfectness of new sportscar chassis is not mine.
the only real fun was waching the speedo doing everytime 200kph+...
