Comparing 991.2 GT3 with prior R/RS models shows .2 superior?
#16
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#17
Not really. While it is a hypothetical question, it is a valid one as well. I have a 991.1 RS, but I almost passed on my allocation because I made an educated guess that the 991.2 GT3 would be equal to, or better, than the RS. I am getting a 991.2 GT3 as well, and it will be very interesting to compare the two cars. My gut tells me that the 991.2 GT3 will be equal to or better than the RS.
I'll sit tight for .2GT3RS...
#19
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reactions to this thread
rs' are always special, because of what people believe and how they vote with their wallets
in reality, 991 rs is significantly greater in numbers made and sold than 991.1 regular gt3... first time in PAG history this is the case
1.2 gt3 may be marginally quicker than 1.1 rs but less than 10% of owners of these cars can drive them well enough to extract the difference in performance... at the end of the day, 1.1 rs still has big advantage in grip/downforce so in most applications it will outperform 1.2 gt3
back again to 'it is all in what owners/buyers choose to believe', reality/practicalities are immaterial... nothing more, nothing less
this is no different than how we men often criticise vain women who try to out-do each other with the $5,000 purses and designer leggings
rs' are always special, because of what people believe and how they vote with their wallets
in reality, 991 rs is significantly greater in numbers made and sold than 991.1 regular gt3... first time in PAG history this is the case
1.2 gt3 may be marginally quicker than 1.1 rs but less than 10% of owners of these cars can drive them well enough to extract the difference in performance... at the end of the day, 1.1 rs still has big advantage in grip/downforce so in most applications it will outperform 1.2 gt3
back again to 'it is all in what owners/buyers choose to believe', reality/practicalities are immaterial... nothing more, nothing less
this is no different than how we men often criticise vain women who try to out-do each other with the $5,000 purses and designer leggings
#20
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#21
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by ATXGT3
I think the people that should be concerned are those with .1GT3's as that's what is being replaced, not RS.
#22
I think no one that has bought any of these models and thoroughly enjoyed them should be concerned about anything. So you bought an RS or GT3 or GT4...and you put 20K miles driving the heck out of it...took a 15-20k $ bath selling it...I say it was worth it! But who am I to argue...
New .2GT3RS will be reviewed as 'superior' to .2GT3--we already know that and car is not introduced. No new news there or ever in newer cars.
Can sit on the sideline always waiting for the next thing (which will always come) or get in and enjoy life today.
Such a angry crowd here for RS...haters going to hate.
#23
The only thing I guess we can agree on it that the 991.1rs will be less of a keeper than previous 911rs models.
Like Trakcar said
997.2gt3 was "better" than 997.1rs.
Same thing seems to happen here but I want to drive and make my own opinion before saying anything.
Like Trakcar said
997.2gt3 was "better" than 997.1rs.
Same thing seems to happen here but I want to drive and make my own opinion before saying anything.
#24
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Originally Posted by GrantG
Jethro set a 1:34.96 at Anglesey International. Look at the other times:
Rank Vehicle Driver Time PS / KG
1. BAC MONO Oliver Webb 1:31.00 284 / 540
2. McLaren P1 Alexander West 1:34.25 916 / 1490
3. McLaren 675LT Spider unknown 1:35.70 675 / 1368
4. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 (997) Chris Harris 1:36.10 500 / 1360
5. Ferrari 488 GTB unknown 1:36.90 670 / 1535
6. TVR T350t Red Rose LW Cliff Jobson 1:37.00 380 / 1000
7. McLaren 570S unknown 1:37.90 570 / 1462
8. Porsche 911 GT3 (991) Chris Harris 1:38.10 476 / 1439
9. Porsche 911 R (991) unknown 1:38.70 500 / 1373
10. BMW M3 GTS Chris Harris 1:39.00 450 / 1543
11. C 63 AMG Coupe Black Series Chris Harris 1:39.10 517 / 1748
12. BMW M4 GTS unknown 1:40.40 500 / 1599
13. Aston Martin V12 Vantage S Chris Harris 1:40.80 573 / 1665
14. Jaguar F-Type SVR unknown 1:41.20 575 / 1797
15. Honda NSX (Mk II) unknown 1:41.70 581 / 1765
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/anglesey-international-gp
Jethro set a 1:34.96 at Anglesey International. Look at the other times:
Rank Vehicle Driver Time PS / KG
1. BAC MONO Oliver Webb 1:31.00 284 / 540
2. McLaren P1 Alexander West 1:34.25 916 / 1490
3. McLaren 675LT Spider unknown 1:35.70 675 / 1368
4. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 (997) Chris Harris 1:36.10 500 / 1360
5. Ferrari 488 GTB unknown 1:36.90 670 / 1535
6. TVR T350t Red Rose LW Cliff Jobson 1:37.00 380 / 1000
7. McLaren 570S unknown 1:37.90 570 / 1462
8. Porsche 911 GT3 (991) Chris Harris 1:38.10 476 / 1439
9. Porsche 911 R (991) unknown 1:38.70 500 / 1373
10. BMW M3 GTS Chris Harris 1:39.00 450 / 1543
11. C 63 AMG Coupe Black Series Chris Harris 1:39.10 517 / 1748
12. BMW M4 GTS unknown 1:40.40 500 / 1599
13. Aston Martin V12 Vantage S Chris Harris 1:40.80 573 / 1665
14. Jaguar F-Type SVR unknown 1:41.20 575 / 1797
15. Honda NSX (Mk II) unknown 1:41.70 581 / 1765
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/anglesey-international-gp
#25
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I didn't realize more 991.1 RS were produced than regular GT3? What are the numbers?
reactions to this thread
rs' are always special, because of what people believe and how they vote with their wallets
in reality, 991 rs is significantly greater in numbers made and sold than 991.1 regular gt3... first time in PAG history this is the case
1.2 gt3 may be marginally quicker than 1.1 rs but less than 10% of owners of these cars can drive them well enough to extract the difference in performance... at the end of the day, 1.1 rs still has big advantage in grip/downforce so in most applications it will outperform 1.2 gt3
back again to 'it is all in what owners/buyers choose to believe', reality/practicalities are immaterial... nothing more, nothing less
this is no different than how we men often criticise vain women who try to out-do each other with the $5,000 purses and designer leggings
rs' are always special, because of what people believe and how they vote with their wallets
in reality, 991 rs is significantly greater in numbers made and sold than 991.1 regular gt3... first time in PAG history this is the case
1.2 gt3 may be marginally quicker than 1.1 rs but less than 10% of owners of these cars can drive them well enough to extract the difference in performance... at the end of the day, 1.1 rs still has big advantage in grip/downforce so in most applications it will outperform 1.2 gt3
back again to 'it is all in what owners/buyers choose to believe', reality/practicalities are immaterial... nothing more, nothing less
this is no different than how we men often criticise vain women who try to out-do each other with the $5,000 purses and designer leggings
#26
Originally Posted by GrantG
Jethro set a 1:34.96 at Anglesey International. Look at the other times:
Rank Vehicle Driver Time PS / KG
1. BAC MONO Oliver Webb 1:31.00 284 / 540
2. McLaren P1 Alexander West 1:34.25 916 / 1490
3. McLaren 675LT Spider unknown 1:35.70 675 / 1368
4. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 (997) Chris Harris 1:36.10 500 / 1360
5. Ferrari 488 GTB unknown 1:36.90 670 / 1535
6. TVR T350t Red Rose LW Cliff Jobson 1:37.00 380 / 1000
7. McLaren 570S unknown 1:37.90 570 / 1462
8. Porsche 911 GT3 (991) Chris Harris 1:38.10 476 / 1439
9. Porsche 911 R (991) unknown 1:38.70 500 / 1373
10. BMW M3 GTS Chris Harris 1:39.00 450 / 1543
11. C 63 AMG Coupe Black Series Chris Harris 1:39.10 517 / 1748
12. BMW M4 GTS unknown 1:40.40 500 / 1599
13. Aston Martin V12 Vantage S Chris Harris 1:40.80 573 / 1665
14. Jaguar F-Type SVR unknown 1:41.20 575 / 1797
15. Honda NSX (Mk II) unknown 1:41.70 581 / 1765
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/anglesey-international-gp
Jethro set a 1:34.96 at Anglesey International. Look at the other times:
Rank Vehicle Driver Time PS / KG
1. BAC MONO Oliver Webb 1:31.00 284 / 540
2. McLaren P1 Alexander West 1:34.25 916 / 1490
3. McLaren 675LT Spider unknown 1:35.70 675 / 1368
4. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 (997) Chris Harris 1:36.10 500 / 1360
5. Ferrari 488 GTB unknown 1:36.90 670 / 1535
6. TVR T350t Red Rose LW Cliff Jobson 1:37.00 380 / 1000
7. McLaren 570S unknown 1:37.90 570 / 1462
8. Porsche 911 GT3 (991) Chris Harris 1:38.10 476 / 1439
9. Porsche 911 R (991) unknown 1:38.70 500 / 1373
10. BMW M3 GTS Chris Harris 1:39.00 450 / 1543
11. C 63 AMG Coupe Black Series Chris Harris 1:39.10 517 / 1748
12. BMW M4 GTS unknown 1:40.40 500 / 1599
13. Aston Martin V12 Vantage S Chris Harris 1:40.80 573 / 1665
14. Jaguar F-Type SVR unknown 1:41.20 575 / 1797
15. Honda NSX (Mk II) unknown 1:41.70 581 / 1765
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/anglesey-international-gp
#27
Three Wheelin'
I think no one that has bought any of these models and thoroughly enjoyed them should be concerned about anything. So you bought an RS or GT3 or GT4...and you put 20K miles driving the heck out of it...took a 15-20k $ bath selling it...I say it was worth it! But who am I to argue...
#28
The GT4? Isn't that the cute little Cayman with a detuned Carrera motor? And yes I've driven one on track and street over 100 miles on each.
#29
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