GT3.2 Nordschleife
04-20-2017, 03:55 PM
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I understand your point, but the Ring time is important because it gives people the ability to judge a car's tracking ability. Otherwise if there were no lap times, people would be buying cars based on subjective opinions. We can't even drive most of these GT cars before they are purchased, so it is one of the ways people judge a cars performance.
04-20-2017, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
And the Nordschliefe (unique among race tracks) also implies quite a bit about a car's ability on streets, autobahns, and mountain roads...
Originally Posted by drdonger
I understand your point, but the Ring time is important because it gives people the ability to judge a car's tracking ability. Otherwise if there were no lap times, people would be buying cars based on subjective opinions. We can't even drive most of these GT cars before they are purchased, so it is one of the ways people judge a cars performance.
There have been cars in the past built specifically to achieve great numbers at the Ring and absolutely sucked on the road. My memory is not helping me at the moment to give you an example,but I'm sure someone here will.
Also,will you not buy the car if 7:29 is the correct time? Hell,cheaper 911s did better. AMG GT-R did 7:10,but I wouldn't personally buy that car over the GT3. And I love AMG!
04-20-2017, 04:15 PM
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Yes, I will buy the car anyway. But, it doesn't stop me from being interested at why it should be 4 seconds slower than 991.1 GT3 when it outdoes that car with more power and torque (at every rpm), 20% more downforce, sticker tires, racier brake pads, improved tuning for front and rear wheel steering, and evolved suspension, while maintaining the same redline, gearing, aero drag, and weight.
04-20-2017, 04:38 PM
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Yes, I will buy the car anyway. But, it doesn't stop me from being interested at why it should be 4 seconds slower than 991.1 GT3 when it outdoes that car with more power and torque (at every rpm), 20% more downforce, sticker tires, racier brake pads, improved tuning for front and rear wheel steering, and evolved suspension, while maintaining the same redline, gearing, aero drag, and weight.
04-20-2017, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
But, it doesn't stop me from being interested at why it should be 4 seconds slower than 991.1 GT3 when it outdoes that car with more power and torque (at every rpm), 20% more downforce, sticker tires, racier brake pads, improved tuning for front and rear wheel steering, and evolved suspension, while maintaining the same redline, gearing, aero drag, and weight.
04-20-2017, 04:56 PM
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04-20-2017, 04:59 PM
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I understand the Ring time has become an industry standard for all manufacturers that are building relevant fast cars,but in most cases,it will remain a bragging argument at the local C&C.
There have been cars in the past built specifically to achieve great numbers at the Ring and absolutely sucked on the road. My memory is not helping me at the moment to give you an example,but I'm sure someone here will.
Also,will you not buy the car if 7:29 is the correct time? Hell,cheaper 911s did better. AMG GT-R did 7:10,but I wouldn't personally buy that car over the GT3. And I love AMG!
There have been cars in the past built specifically to achieve great numbers at the Ring and absolutely sucked on the road. My memory is not helping me at the moment to give you an example,but I'm sure someone here will.
Also,will you not buy the car if 7:29 is the correct time? Hell,cheaper 911s did better. AMG GT-R did 7:10,but I wouldn't personally buy that car over the GT3. And I love AMG!
04-20-2017, 05:01 PM
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04-20-2017, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by drdonger
I'm not saying that is why I would buy a car based on ring times, just saying its a good gauge for potential buyers in addition to other factors. I will be getting a 991.2 GT3 in stick
04-20-2017, 05:13 PM
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Here's some Ring numbers from articles published by Porsche.
997 GT3 RS 4.0 time 7:27
997 GT2 RS time 7:18
991 GT3 3.8 time 7:30 (7:29)
991 GT3 RS 4.0 time 7:20
So if the new 991.2 GT3 doing 7:27 I think it's fine
04-20-2017, 05:16 PM
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I think you are both wrong because the official Ring number for 991.1 GT3 was 7:30
Here's some Ring numbers from articles published by Porsche.
997 GT3 RS 4.0 time 7:27
997 GT2 RS time 7:18
991 GT3 3.8 time 7:30 (7:29)
991 GT3 RS 4.0 time 7:20
So if the new 991.2 GT3 doing 7:27 I think it's fine
Here's some Ring numbers from articles published by Porsche.
997 GT3 RS 4.0 time 7:27
997 GT2 RS time 7:18
991 GT3 3.8 time 7:30 (7:29)
991 GT3 RS 4.0 time 7:20
So if the new 991.2 GT3 doing 7:27 I think it's fine
"Porsche claims the new car has already successfully lapped the Nürburgring in 7:25, 15 seconds faster than the last 911 GT3"
http://autoweek.com/article/car-revi...-gets-reloaded
And here (Timo Kluk, 7:25):
http://fastestlaps.com/models/porsche-911-gt3-991
04-20-2017, 05:21 PM
#59
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Originally Posted by GrantG
About the 2014 GT3:
"Porsche claims the new car has already successfully lapped the Nürburgring in 7:25, 15 seconds faster than the last 911 GT3"
http://autoweek.com/article/car-revi...-gets-reloaded
And here (Timo Kluk, 7:25):
http://fastestlaps.com/models/porsche-911-gt3-991
"Porsche claims the new car has already successfully lapped the Nürburgring in 7:25, 15 seconds faster than the last 911 GT3"
http://autoweek.com/article/car-revi...-gets-reloaded
And here (Timo Kluk, 7:25):
http://fastestlaps.com/models/porsche-911-gt3-991
04-20-2017, 05:30 PM
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“It’s not our mainstream program to have the quickest lap times and to advertise our cars only by lap time because, to be honest with you, if you have a car with the perfect setup for the Nurburgring, it will be a dog on the street and everywhere else.” - AP
inverse advertising - this advert shows how good the car is on the street according to AP comments...
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...lap-times.html
inverse advertising - this advert shows how good the car is on the street according to AP comments...
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...lap-times.html