rickman_fr

Let's start with the inevitable comparison between the R and the 991.2 GT3 that has just arrived.

In my opinion, the 991 R is still more interesting than the 991.2 GT3 in many ways and not just because it is a limited series. It is prettier, lighter and slightly more powerful, and driving is really an experience apart from the fact that the settings are intended for road use. Moreover, full of small details make the R, a really different car.

In fact, the merit of the 991.2 GT3 is to renew the market of cars with manual gearbox. This concerns the 997 GT3 / RS except the RS 4.0 and the GT4 cayman. The 991.2 GT3 has for it a more reasonable price but I doubt that one who really wants an R turns to a 991.2 GT3 because it is cheaper!

In PDK, the 991.2 GT3 clearly threatens the 991.1 GT3 less powerful and deemed less reliable. For the 991 RS, I think that the performances are identical and everyone knows that RS remains a RS and that this badge is magic.


In short, if your garage is empty and you want a mechanical gearbox and a lot of power, then buy a 991.2 GT3 but in PDK you can buy a 991 RS right away.

DK7

Interesting topic.
But i think owner who love their 997 GT3 for the special character, will not sell it for a 991.2 GT3.
The driving experience should be really different, despite manual.
(hydraulic steering, Mezger, 997 gearbox, no RWS, smaller car/footprint, classic 911 shape)
This points hold 997 GT3 values firm imho.

Jimmy-D

Disagree - find the 991.2 GT3 much more interesting than the 991R. The 911R is far from prettier, looks like every 911( not special looking nor purposeful), and it will not be faster(just wait and I do not mean just around the track).

Jimmy-D

Also - not everyone wants an RS. To me no like the Wing nor the turbo scoops. Plus- if you want a PDK .2 GT3 you may want to wait rather than buy the RS because 1- Do not want to pay "X" more over the .2 GT3 for equal performance 2- As I stated before - you may not prefer the RS styling over the .2GT3

grendel88

I think a lot of it is about budget and what other cars you have or if this car is the only car. There are both guys on the board with multiple sports/super cars and guys who DD the GT3 or have a beater to go with it. The main advantage that the 991.2 will have, that most have not really talked about, is the new PCM and better amenities like the Bose system. We mostly hear on the boards from the track rats, but a large portion of GT3s are owned by dudes who just like sport cars, and those dudes like nice stereos and only order buckets for resale value.

That's the other thing, when you read other boards about GT3s, everyone always writes about the bullet proof resale values on GT cars so it increases the demand base for latest and greatest. Personally, I think their is a subset of sports car buyers that will want a 991.2 GT3 manual loaded with buckets just as a really nice weekend road car. The guys that wanted the R experience and did not have a chance to get it.

Metzeger

I have an R ( and recently sold the GT3.1 RS) and honestly the 991.2 GT3 is better in manual like the R. Better engine (evolution of the R and RS motor), same gearbox. The R is simply interesting by the number produce and no rear wing...But the R have a great driving feeling...The GT3.2 ( in manual) give the same sensation/feeling like the R? Answer in few month...

bronson7

I think there's a place for both the R and .2gt3. The biggest obvious reason is the R is out of reach for most and the .2 is just another step forward in the PDK version and more importantly keeping the purest who need the MT.

gago1101

I agree with Jimmy. In addition, one of the reasons I like the gt3 is the idea that gt3 is the best bang for the buck. 991r has the advantage of being limited, which means artificially pricing a car higher and working on people's emotions. I want to stay away from it. As AP put it, the R has some "light weight gimmicks." In truth, R is a RS with a wing delete and a manual transmission, in addition to being limited. The .2 GT3 is not limited, but will have the better engine. I could care less about the light weight gimmicks and the limited production. I'm buying this car to enjoy driving, not as an investment.

C.J. Ichiban

ok but jimmy how can you say the 911R is visually unappealing and then the RS wing and scoops you don't like?

are you saying that the GT3 is the magical goldilocks zone for just boy racer enough?


That being said, I agree to a point with the OP and I will add-

if you're paying above sticker for a GT3 with PDK, you might as well just get a 991RS second hand (or CPO from a dealer for the 100k warranty).

for me, I'd MUCH rather have a .1 GT Silver RS in pdk than a PDK GT3.2 as a "canyon road car" for around the same price.

DK7

100% ++.
When 991 plattform, i would prefer 991.1 RS PDK over 991.2 GT3..
And for manual car i would always prefer a 997 GT3 over 991.2 GT3 manual.

d00d

Taking collectibility out of the equation, the R is an early adopter .2 GT3, but without the race proven top end.
Both the R and the GT3 have fat behinds, the RS has shoulders to match the hips, which looks right to me and can be easily deconstructed to just the duck tail for low profile use.
I put myself on the RS lists, hoping that when my number comes up the engine will be where the RSR's is.

Jimmy-D

Simple- 911R looks like another 911. It just does not move me other than what I could sell it for if I owned own. Sorry if I feel that way. The RS to me is just too much. Do not like the wing. Looks like it was bolted on. So does the GT4 but to a much smaller scale. Also - just not a fan of the Turbo scoops. Pretty simple.

GT3(both 991.1/.2) just flows better. Best looking wing Porsche has constructed yet. Car just looks the business w/o being over the top