Will the 991.2 GT3 be a $300K car?
03-07-2017, 04:34 PM
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Using the Euro CC, base is around $140K, and if you check all the options (realistically, PTS, PCCB, bucket seats, full carbon fiber, etc. etc.) that totals around $35K, so $175K before tax. Dealer mark-up of $50K = $225K, 10% sales tax = $247.5K.
So the $300K number is a tad high, but definitely possible if someone is going to pay $100K mark-up, and it wouldn't surprise me if someone does.
So the $300K number is a tad high, but definitely possible if someone is going to pay $100K mark-up, and it wouldn't surprise me if someone does.
03-07-2017, 04:39 PM
#32
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03-07-2017, 04:41 PM
#33
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Using the Euro CC, base is around $140K, and if you check all the options (realistically, PTS, PCCB, bucket seats, full carbon fiber, etc. etc.) that totals around $35K, so $175K before tax. Dealer mark-up of $50K = $225K, 10% sales tax = $247.5K.
So the $300K number is a tad high, but definitely possible if someone is going to pay $100K mark-up, and it wouldn't surprise me if someone does.
So the $300K number is a tad high, but definitely possible if someone is going to pay $100K mark-up, and it wouldn't surprise me if someone does.
03-07-2017, 04:49 PM
#35
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But once you go much above 210 K there are some fantastic option with the new 720S or a lightly used 650S, lightly used 458, even used 488 in a few years, etc, that make it ridiculous to pay much of a markup on any Porsche GT car.
03-07-2017, 04:56 PM
#36
Nordschleife Master
I don't talk value. I freakin hate value! I have mentioned my opinion regarding allocations and paying over MSRP.
But,in the context of other brands,the GT3 WITH A MANUAL(NA,4.0L that revs to 9K)is UNIQUE! There's nothing like it! Period! I can only have one new sports car,so for people like me THERE'S NO SUBSTITUTE! It simply doesn't exist. GT3 or bust!
But,in the context of other brands,the GT3 WITH A MANUAL(NA,4.0L that revs to 9K)is UNIQUE! There's nothing like it! Period! I can only have one new sports car,so for people like me THERE'S NO SUBSTITUTE! It simply doesn't exist. GT3 or bust!
03-07-2017, 05:26 PM
#38
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I think it's unrealistic for people to think these will go for sticker, unless you're a long time Porsche buyer and have a good relationship with your dealer. It's probably the last NA GT3 and offered with a manual, basically Porsche selling spots on Titanic lifeboats... more souls than seats.
03-07-2017, 05:29 PM
#39
I think it's unrealistic for people to think these will go for sticker, unless you're a long time Porsche buyer and have a good relationship with your dealer. It's probably the last NA GT3 and offered with a manual, basically Porsche selling spots on Titanic lifeboats... more souls than seats.
03-07-2017, 05:30 PM
#40
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03-07-2017, 05:37 PM
#41
Honestly, I just don't think there will be a frenzy around the .2 GT3 like there was around the .1 RS. The RS was/is more of a special car than the new GT3. I still think, at most, you'll see it play out similar to the GT4, or a lot of people simply won't be interested. With the price bump, I think a mildly optioned GT3 is a fair deal at sticker. I don't hold that view much above sticker though, and I think the initial 'OMG this car is awesome - I need one' hysteria is going to quiet down relatively quickly now that the cat's out of the bag. But, like I said, we'll know soon enough.
I have requests/offers in at 20 out of state dealers for a configurable allocation at MSRP, willing to put a big nonrefundable deposit down and pay cash for the car, and my local dealer SA is working hard to see if he can get me one of their allocations as well. If I get crickets in response, that'll tell me where things are heading.
I have requests/offers in at 20 out of state dealers for a configurable allocation at MSRP, willing to put a big nonrefundable deposit down and pay cash for the car, and my local dealer SA is working hard to see if he can get me one of their allocations as well. If I get crickets in response, that'll tell me where things are heading.
03-07-2017, 05:42 PM
#42
Race Director
Look at it from current owner perspective.
1. You own a 991.1 GT3.
A lot of people are going to be tempted to sell their current GT3's and upgrade. Result: more 991.1 for sale. More demand for 991.2.
2. You own a 991.1 GT3 RS.
Some people are going to be tempted to sell their current car and get the GT3. Not as many as say the 991.1 GT3, but some. Result: more 991.1 RS cars for sale. More demand for 991.2.
3. You own a 911 R.
Some people will cash out of their R and use some of the profits to get a manual 991.2 GT3. Result: More demand for 991.2 GT3.
4. You own a 997 GT3 RS or RS 4.0
Some people will cash out of these cars and get a manual 991.2 GT3. Result: More demand for 991.2 GT3.
5. You do not own a GT3, R or RS, but you are in the market.
Which car are you going to buy?
- 911 R? Why pay that premium when the 991.2 GT3 is just as good, and many think better?
- 991.1 RS? The engine in the 991.2 GT3 is better, just as powerful, and has a manual.
- 991.1 GT3? Only if the 991.1 is a lot cheaper, which it will be.
- 997 GT3 RS? The new 991.2 GT3 flogs it in every way imaginable.
- 997 GT3 RS 4.0? Only collectors would choose the 4.0 over the 991.2 GT3.
Conclusion:
Any way you slice it, these new GT3's are going to be in high demand. Prices of just about everything else will soften accordingly, and these cars will be bid up. Fully expecting around $180k to $200k street price. That high price will support prices to a degree on the 991.1 GT3, and possibly pull down anything currently going over $200k.
Supply and demand.
1. You own a 991.1 GT3.
A lot of people are going to be tempted to sell their current GT3's and upgrade. Result: more 991.1 for sale. More demand for 991.2.
2. You own a 991.1 GT3 RS.
Some people are going to be tempted to sell their current car and get the GT3. Not as many as say the 991.1 GT3, but some. Result: more 991.1 RS cars for sale. More demand for 991.2.
3. You own a 911 R.
Some people will cash out of their R and use some of the profits to get a manual 991.2 GT3. Result: More demand for 991.2 GT3.
4. You own a 997 GT3 RS or RS 4.0
Some people will cash out of these cars and get a manual 991.2 GT3. Result: More demand for 991.2 GT3.
5. You do not own a GT3, R or RS, but you are in the market.
Which car are you going to buy?
- 911 R? Why pay that premium when the 991.2 GT3 is just as good, and many think better?
- 991.1 RS? The engine in the 991.2 GT3 is better, just as powerful, and has a manual.
- 991.1 GT3? Only if the 991.1 is a lot cheaper, which it will be.
- 997 GT3 RS? The new 991.2 GT3 flogs it in every way imaginable.
- 997 GT3 RS 4.0? Only collectors would choose the 4.0 over the 991.2 GT3.
Conclusion:
Any way you slice it, these new GT3's are going to be in high demand. Prices of just about everything else will soften accordingly, and these cars will be bid up. Fully expecting around $180k to $200k street price. That high price will support prices to a degree on the 991.1 GT3, and possibly pull down anything currently going over $200k.
Supply and demand.
03-07-2017, 05:53 PM
#44
my build is around mid-160s....if someone is dumb enough to offer me 300K for it, I'll take your FU money and wait 1 more year, buy .2GT3 and put the other 150K in an S&P fund and let it simmer for 20 years.........
03-07-2017, 05:53 PM
#45
Nordschleife Master
"2. You own a 991.1 GT3 RS.
Some people are going to be tempted to sell their current car and get the GT3. Not as many as say the 991.1 GT3, but some. Result: more 991.1 RS cars for sale. More demand for 991.2."
Maybe some, maybe....but these guys need their head examined.
Some people are going to be tempted to sell their current car and get the GT3. Not as many as say the 991.1 GT3, but some. Result: more 991.1 RS cars for sale. More demand for 991.2."
Maybe some, maybe....but these guys need their head examined.
