Archimedes

I agree with the 2/3 PDK, 1/3 Manual estimate. I think that's how the broader market will flesh out when it comes to the GT3, not because RL is necessarily a skewed sample, but rather because I think a lot of people will flirt with the idea of the manual but will then ultimately go PDK for the track performance advantage.

GrantG

I know preferring PDK for the track is the conventional wisdom (and it is undoubtedly faster), but I really like manual at the track.

My local track (which is the only one I tend to drive stateside) would tend to get a little boring with fewer challenges - having to nail my manual shifting makes it more interesting and fun for me.

And I do care about laptimes - but only my own.

mass27

Not just a gut feeling, but backed up by data. Probably 70/30 of all current/potential GT owners (WW) would choose a PDK-S.

Also, I am more likely in the undecided camp, but this is because of the ADD and going over possibilities over and over...

That's why the IN-N-OUT menu is my friend - less options.

GrantG

That is consistent from what I heard about Manual numbers for the 991.2 GT3. I think they are expecting (maybe even limiting) the percentage of Manual cars to 30%. When you consider the worldwide markets (only US and UK have large percentage of manual devotees), it's probably pretty close to demand.

Manifold

I don't know if it's conventional wisdom, but it's definitely my preference. Before the 991 GT3, nearly all of my track experience was with manual Porsches, and I thought manual was great.

But after thousands of track miles in the GT3, I'm a PDK convert. I don't think it makes much difference wrt my lap time, but it's fun, and also safer for both car and driver. I've compared the GT3 and GT4 on track, and I really don't miss manual on the track.

OTOH, for the road, I still enjoy manual shifting, though I enjoy PDK on the road also - both are fun in their own way.

Neither choice is inherently right or wrong, objective better or worse overall. It's a matter of preference, and best scenario is to have both options available.

mass27

One more personal comment on this decision. I have had a manual for 20 years, like many of you here. I always thought that a manual belongs in a sports car. Over the past several years, particularly with the advancement of automatics, the performance has now switched where the automatics excel.

That being said, I am wondering if I will be remiss if I order a PDK, hence the "indecision" at this point.

The funny thing is, in 20 years, I foresee manual as a fraction of the percentage of cars made. That doesn't mean it's a bad thing, just a progression of the industry.

Anyone who has driven a manual in a lot of traffic can attest to how painful it can be.

Loess

I would order a manual so long as I have the RS with pdk. The GT3 manual would be a fantastic sport road car. With very few options.

But I'm still waiting to see how they tune the two. I would imagine the manual will be running with an 8600 rpm limit in every gear whereas the pdk may vary like the RS. Also what gearbox/gearing, and will it have the lwfw.

One thing I've learned from Porsche over the years is that they never give you everything you want. The question is what will it be missing?

bluehorseshoe

50/50 right now, surprisingly high take rate for the manual. I would venture to guess that it lands closer to 30% for manual in the end.

Manifold

Thing about PDK is that, while many are initially skeptical about it (as I was), after driving the car for a while (hundreds of miles), nearly all become converted to PDK believers. Unfortunately, those who don't have the opportunity to give PDK a real chance usually don't appreciate what they're missing.

80s

Does anyone know if the new pdks or the gt3rs pdks can force keep it in gears or does it always shift?

tqevo

Doesn't always upshift with PDK-S and will hit the rev limiter if you use manual mode. I can't remember if sport mode is also required as well.

meaker

So I wonder if they turn the redline down on thr manual cars? The R is down some. Will the .2 pdk have a 200-300 more rpms cause no concern for a human error.

GrantG

Hope not. The Manual car will benefit more from a higher redline than PDK, as it has only 6 gears more widely spaced.

I think both versions will be significantly lower than 9k.

80s

Are we 100% sure it will be 4.0 and mt option? I mean the articles back in other thread wasnt from porsche official correct?

Jimmy-D

You will miss Manual. Get PDK if you like to go to Starbucks and you do not want to spill coffee in you car