McLaren Success
12-16-2018, 10:53 AM
#2641
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I really like the 600LT but:
1. It’s base Msrp does not compete with the GT3RS. It’s substantially higher for an whats essentially an improved 570S. By the time I add some options I’m in Performonte or 488 territory.
2. Mac resale has me balking.
3. Stories of Mac unreliability and build issues like the post above.
4. Lack of dealer net work.
5. 720LT will steal its thunder.
6. Mac has a bad habit of one upping its own cars seemingly every year. Could partially explain terrible resale values.
1. It’s base Msrp does not compete with the GT3RS. It’s substantially higher for an whats essentially an improved 570S. By the time I add some options I’m in Performonte or 488 territory.
2. Mac resale has me balking.
3. Stories of Mac unreliability and build issues like the post above.
4. Lack of dealer net work.
5. 720LT will steal its thunder.
6. Mac has a bad habit of one upping its own cars seemingly every year. Could partially explain terrible resale values.
12-16-2018, 10:55 AM
#2642
So in my small circle of car buddies, we have as a group in our personal collection- performante, Porsche- Gt3rs and gt3, 488, Aston, huracan- 3 720s and a 570. These are personal cars of my close buddies. The 720s range from 6 weeks ownership (mine) to over a year. One of my friends got one of the first ones in the country. The 570 is about 6 months old. The age of the remaining cars is anywhere from 6. Months to 2 years.
There has not been a single malfunction in any of the cars. None. Not Ferrari, not Porsche, not lambo, and zero issues for the Mclaren’s either.
i don’t discount the story above where the 570 broke down but I would not consider it reflective of the brand. Likely some fluke thing.
All manufacturers these days are Churning our cars that are quite reliable and quite spectucslr. The 570 may not be your thing- totally get the comments on the 600 and for 300k hard for me to take a 600 over a 488 or Perf or a slightly used 720.
But what’s impressive to me about McLaren is how after 5 or 6 years, they have done a great job of figuring things out. The cars are quite spectacular and the brand has progressed nicely.
There has not been a single malfunction in any of the cars. None. Not Ferrari, not Porsche, not lambo, and zero issues for the Mclaren’s either.
i don’t discount the story above where the 570 broke down but I would not consider it reflective of the brand. Likely some fluke thing.
All manufacturers these days are Churning our cars that are quite reliable and quite spectucslr. The 570 may not be your thing- totally get the comments on the 600 and for 300k hard for me to take a 600 over a 488 or Perf or a slightly used 720.
But what’s impressive to me about McLaren is how after 5 or 6 years, they have done a great job of figuring things out. The cars are quite spectacular and the brand has progressed nicely.
12-16-2018, 10:57 AM
#2643
herr is our group of friends meeting up before we roll out for the local coffee and cars last month.
12-16-2018, 11:27 AM
#2644
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So in my small circle of car buddies, we have as a group in our personal collection- performante, Porsche- Gt3rs and gt3, 488, Aston, huracan- 3 720s and a 570. These are personal cars of my close buddies. The 720s range from 6 weeks ownership (mine) to over a year. One of my friends got one of the first ones in the country. The 570 is about 6 months old. The age of the remaining cars is anywhere from 6. Months to 2 years.
There has not been a single malfunction in any of the cars. None. Not Ferrari, not Porsche, not lambo, and zero issues for the Mclaren’s either.
i don’t discount the story above where the 570 broke down but I would not consider it reflective of the brand. Likely some fluke thing.
All manufacturers these days are Churning our cars that are quite reliable and quite spectucslr. The 570 may not be your thing- totally get the comments on the 600 and for 300k hard for me to take a 600 over a 488 or Perf or a slightly used 720.
But what’s impressive to me about McLaren is how after 5 or 6 years, they have done a great job of figuring things out. The cars are quite spectacular and the brand has progressed nicely.
There has not been a single malfunction in any of the cars. None. Not Ferrari, not Porsche, not lambo, and zero issues for the Mclaren’s either.
i don’t discount the story above where the 570 broke down but I would not consider it reflective of the brand. Likely some fluke thing.
All manufacturers these days are Churning our cars that are quite reliable and quite spectucslr. The 570 may not be your thing- totally get the comments on the 600 and for 300k hard for me to take a 600 over a 488 or Perf or a slightly used 720.
But what’s impressive to me about McLaren is how after 5 or 6 years, they have done a great job of figuring things out. The cars are quite spectacular and the brand has progressed nicely.
Would be curious to know how many of your friends cars have survived a hard track day because I get the impression that the buyers of these cars simply don't track them...at least not at the track days I attend. In the last 3 years I have seen a grand total of only 3 Maca's on track alongside a zillion Porsches and a lot of Ferraris. Indeed, Ferrari owners seem to track their cars much more than Mclaren owners
12-16-2018, 11:47 AM
#2645
Originally Posted by Yippiekiaye
So in my small circle of car buddies, we have as a group in our personal collection- performante, Porsche- Gt3rs and gt3, 488, Aston, huracan- 3 720s and a 570. These are personal cars of my close buddies. The 720s range from 6 weeks ownership (mine) to over a year. One of my friends got one of the first ones in the country. The 570 is about 6 months old. The age of the remaining cars is anywhere from 6. Months to 2 years.
There has not been a single malfunction in any of the cars. None. Not Ferrari, not Porsche, not lambo, and zero issues for the Mclaren’s either.
i don’t discount the story above where the 570 broke down but I would not consider it reflective of the brand. Likely some fluke thing.
All manufacturers these days are Churning our cars that are quite reliable and quite spectucslr. The 570 may not be your thing- totally get the comments on the 600 and for 300k hard for me to take a 600 over a 488 or Perf or a slightly used 720.
But what’s impressive to me about McLaren is how after 5 or 6 years, they have done a great job of figuring things out. The cars are quite spectacular and the brand has progressed nicely.
There has not been a single malfunction in any of the cars. None. Not Ferrari, not Porsche, not lambo, and zero issues for the Mclaren’s either.
i don’t discount the story above where the 570 broke down but I would not consider it reflective of the brand. Likely some fluke thing.
All manufacturers these days are Churning our cars that are quite reliable and quite spectucslr. The 570 may not be your thing- totally get the comments on the 600 and for 300k hard for me to take a 600 over a 488 or Perf or a slightly used 720.
But what’s impressive to me about McLaren is how after 5 or 6 years, they have done a great job of figuring things out. The cars are quite spectacular and the brand has progressed nicely.
Luckily even got a 600LT allocation with delivery prior to the 2019 track season. My heavy spec ended up being within spitting distance of 675LT's so I made the switch. More power, less weight, more exclusive. My expectations are that the car will not be as bullet proof as the Porsche GT cars I regularly track, but what is, honestly?
Low spec 600LT is great value but the heavy specced ones are tough to justify when u can pick up 720s or 675LT for similar $.
12-16-2018, 12:32 PM
#2646
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I was ready to buy my first McLaren. Wanted another track toy and LT cars seemed to get incredible praise.
Luckily even got a 600LT allocation with delivery prior to the 2019 track season. My heavy spec ended up being within spitting distance of 675LT's so I made the switch. More power, less weight, more exclusive. My expectations are that the car will not be as bullet proof as the Porsche GT cars I regularly track, but what is, honestly?
Low spec 600LT is great value but the heavy specced ones are tough to justify when u can pick up 720s or 675LT for similar $.
Luckily even got a 600LT allocation with delivery prior to the 2019 track season. My heavy spec ended up being within spitting distance of 675LT's so I made the switch. More power, less weight, more exclusive. My expectations are that the car will not be as bullet proof as the Porsche GT cars I regularly track, but what is, honestly?
Low spec 600LT is great value but the heavy specced ones are tough to justify when u can pick up 720s or 675LT for similar $.
The 675 LT is heavier than the 600lt...but it's a damn epic car, still one of my favorites ever.
12-16-2018, 01:21 PM
#2647
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Do not discount the 600LT without driving it. Saying it's a hopped up 570 is like saying a GT3RS is a hopped up carrera.
They are of course- but that's way too reductive. it's flush with more special components, a better transmission, better brakes, better tires, better aero, more power, better noises, better seats, and Ti Exhausts that either shoots fire or sounds like a cup car.
The 600LT :: GT3RS
The 7xxLT :: Gt2RS
Please do not discuss the GT3RS at msrp or Gt2RS at msrp. Similar to Pista- very rare for people to score these at sticker and so if you have to make a game time decision today- at market prices:
280 (LT) vs 260 (RS) and the LT even has great lease residuals.
It's an awesome car- and I was a skeptic because of how much I loved the 675LT (owned 3 of them) but the 600LT drives incredibly well.
They are of course- but that's way too reductive. it's flush with more special components, a better transmission, better brakes, better tires, better aero, more power, better noises, better seats, and Ti Exhausts that either shoots fire or sounds like a cup car.
The 600LT :: GT3RS
The 7xxLT :: Gt2RS
Please do not discuss the GT3RS at msrp or Gt2RS at msrp. Similar to Pista- very rare for people to score these at sticker and so if you have to make a game time decision today- at market prices:
280 (LT) vs 260 (RS) and the LT even has great lease residuals.
It's an awesome car- and I was a skeptic because of how much I loved the 675LT (owned 3 of them) but the 600LT drives incredibly well.
12-16-2018, 02:44 PM
#2648
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Do not discount the 600LT without driving it. Saying it's a hopped up 570 is like saying a GT3RS is a hopped up carrera.
They are of course- but that's way too reductive. it's flush with more special components, a better transmission, better brakes, better tires, better aero, more power, better noises, better seats, and Ti Exhausts that either shoots fire or sounds like a cup car.
The 600LT :: GT3RS
The 7xxLT :: Gt2RS
Please do not discuss the GT3RS at msrp or Gt2RS at msrp. Similar to Pista- very rare for people to score these at sticker and so if you have to make a game time decision today- at market prices:
280 (LT) vs 260 (RS) and the LT even has great lease residuals.
It's an awesome car- and I was a skeptic because of how much I loved the 675LT (owned 3 of them) but the 600LT drives incredibly well.
They are of course- but that's way too reductive. it's flush with more special components, a better transmission, better brakes, better tires, better aero, more power, better noises, better seats, and Ti Exhausts that either shoots fire or sounds like a cup car.
The 600LT :: GT3RS
The 7xxLT :: Gt2RS
Please do not discuss the GT3RS at msrp or Gt2RS at msrp. Similar to Pista- very rare for people to score these at sticker and so if you have to make a game time decision today- at market prices:
280 (LT) vs 260 (RS) and the LT even has great lease residuals.
It's an awesome car- and I was a skeptic because of how much I loved the 675LT (owned 3 of them) but the 600LT drives incredibly well.
Do love it though but will just sit back and wait a year and enjoy my 3RS in the meantime.
12-16-2018, 03:15 PM
#2649
Originally Posted by C.J. Ichiban
Do not discount the 600LT without driving it. Saying it's a hopped up 570 is like saying a GT3RS is a hopped up carrera.
They are of course- but that's way too reductive. it's flush with more special components, a better transmission, better brakes, better tires, better aero, more power, better noises, better seats, and Ti Exhausts that either shoots fire or sounds like a cup car.
The 600LT :: GT3RS
The 7xxLT :: Gt2RS
Please do not discuss the GT3RS at msrp or Gt2RS at msrp. Similar to Pista- very rare for people to score these at sticker and so if you have to make a game time decision today- at market prices:
280 (LT) vs 260 (RS) and the LT even has great lease residuals.
It's an awesome car- and I was a skeptic because of how much I loved the 675LT (owned 3 of them) but the 600LT drives incredibly well.
They are of course- but that's way too reductive. it's flush with more special components, a better transmission, better brakes, better tires, better aero, more power, better noises, better seats, and Ti Exhausts that either shoots fire or sounds like a cup car.
The 600LT :: GT3RS
The 7xxLT :: Gt2RS
Please do not discuss the GT3RS at msrp or Gt2RS at msrp. Similar to Pista- very rare for people to score these at sticker and so if you have to make a game time decision today- at market prices:
280 (LT) vs 260 (RS) and the LT even has great lease residuals.
It's an awesome car- and I was a skeptic because of how much I loved the 675LT (owned 3 of them) but the 600LT drives incredibly well.
12-16-2018, 04:06 PM
#2650
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Originally Posted by dewilmoth
Curious, if you could only have one, would you rather have a 600 or 675? I understand one is new and one isn't, but they're pretty much even money today. I've driven neither, but have considered a used 675, and now the 600 seems pretty dang good.
If you want to track the car, a newer car with a warranty always wins. Lap times will be same or better in a 600LT because it won't spin the wheels as much. It's a bad a s s car.
12-16-2018, 04:20 PM
#2651
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Fantastic photo but lets be honest that's not an "average" group of friends you have there!!!!! I bet it takes longer parking and talking to people than it does to eat breakfast!!
12-16-2018, 04:56 PM
#2652
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Agree here, I always thought if I didn't like the 600 in the beginning I'd trade it for a 675 (which has held its place as one of my favorite driving hypercars ever), but one drive in the 600 and there isn't one bit of me that wants to go 675 aside from that aesthetic edge the 75 has (of course that's opinion)...the 600 is THAT exciting. And yeah, having full coverage for 3 years is worth a LOT of saving yourself a headache. to boot.
12-16-2018, 04:58 PM
#2653
i don’t disagree. It’s quite a show when we get together for breakfast/dinner. My point is, lots of great cars out there including Mclaren. Too often people become myopic about their favorite brand. My goal is to own/drive them all. I have no loyalties to any one brand.
12-16-2018, 05:19 PM
#2654
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i don’t disagree. It’s quite a show when we get together for breakfast/dinner. My point is, lots of great cars out there including Mclaren. Too often people become myopic about their favorite brand. My goal is to own/drive them all. I have no loyalties to any one brand.
12-16-2018, 09:05 PM
#2655
