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I recently traded my 997.2 RS for a 650s after the asking price on a new 991.1 RS was actually higher than the 650S price. (Our dealer who bought 2 918's basically brought up all RS allocations then sold them/tried to sell them $120K over)
I did drive the new RS (friend's car) and I liked it a lot. I did not drive the 650s before delivery so it was a jump in the dark.
Comparing the 650s (mine is spider) to the 991.1 RS:
Street driving:The 650s is faster in a straight line without any question. In automatic mode the transmission is not as good as the PDK in the RS. Shifts up very early, hesitant to downshift etc. It seem they had fuel economy in mind programing the transmission. (even in sport mode)
You need higher brake pedal effort to slow down the car at low/medium speed. At high speed or on the track the brakes on the 650s are just as good as on the RS or I risk it to say maybe even more effective above 130-140mph. That maybe due to the aero brake, I do not know.
The RS feels more like a race/sport car on the road and perhaps more engaging to drive, hard to say I did drive only about 10-12miles the RS on the road, and 3 laps on track. The 650s is dramatic and more of an occasion however, even if you are just getting groceries. Wife likes it more. Convertible and more relaxed, better ride quality.
On track: I had limited seat time in the 991RS, also had only one track day with the 650s. So maybe I should compare it to my old 997.2 RS. I felt more secure with my 997.2 RS (after RSS suspension, BFG-R1 tires, RSS bypass, etc.) I have to say the RS (brand new, OEM alignment) was a scarier experience. I remember the back of the car was all over the place upon hard braking in a straight line! The 650s is bone stock, and it is more precise, less scary under braking, again OEM to OEM with the 997.2RS, the 991RS I drove had alignment done (and corner balancing but no susp mods) was nicely planted. Yes, the 650s kind a overheated after 25-30 min. Well, more precisely I did not pushed it when temps started to rise (new car, close to 100F ambient, etc) I did not experienced any brake fade however (nor on the 991RS either, however I did not push that car very hard)
My 997.2 RS had some brake issues, I hated the PCCB, lack of pad selection, very high cost, so overall I do not think Porsche has an edge on brakes if I want to be honest.
On the track the 650s leaves the RS dead on the straight. In the turns at my and my friend's level of driving they are very close. The RS is easier to place than the 650s, et least initially. I was able to get my best lap times (997.2RS BFG-R1s, track aligned RSS suspension etc) with the 650s with less concentration, less effort. (OEM P-zeros on the 650s)
Overall, I think the 650s is not a track car, and I will not use it on the track.
Actually, after so many years of trying to be faster and faster on track and basically trying to race anyone out there, I started to think I will just use my son MX-5 for the future. That little car is more or as much fun as any car I have aver owned.
By the way I also waiting on the P14, no deposit, I want to wait out the first year of production just in case..
No I am saying that if you are doing a 2 day weekend, then you only need one pre and one post inspection. not one every single time. that would be impractical.
Great, thanks for the clarification. IRGuy, thanks very much for the comprehensive review. When the Macca "overheated", was it water temps, oil temps, or some combo?
Mclaren's carbon tub really looks like a game changer because of the rigidity, the way that could translate into GT3 racing, and because of the prototyping. I'm waiting for the F guys to make the same move.
Great, thanks for the clarification. IRGuy, thanks very much for the comprehensive review. When the Macca "overheated", was it water temps, oil temps, or some combo?
Mclaren's carbon tub really looks like a game changer because of the rigidity, the way that could translate into GT3 racing, and because of the prototyping. I'm waiting for the F guys to make the same move.
The oil temp started to climb. The 650s has these horizontal bar graphs, just like the 991, showing the temp and they change color as well. It reached - if I recall correctly - 125C (I use SI on my cars coming from EU.) Did not change color.
I did not have any issue with braking. The 650s top speed at MAM was 162-164mph at the and of the long straight. No problem at those speeds. I only drove the car "maybe" faster once on public road, not willing to disclose exact speed, but did not brake hard at that speed, just let the car slow down to cruising speed.
I have to admit the brakes are difficult to modulate. Overall I miss my RS! I wish I had the garage space to keep it. The 650s is not better but different than the 997.2 RS was. I miss the engagement, the manual (my GTS4 is a manual) and the noise. The 650s is too quite below insane speed (RPM).
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The oil temp started to climb. The 650s has these horizontal bar graphs, just like the 991, showing the temp and they change color as well. It reached - if I recall correctly - 125C (I use SI on my cars coming from EU.) Did not change color. ).
That's 257F - pretty sure you could've driven quite a bit longer, but I understand the restraint. Do people modify those cars with more cooling?
I own both a 991RS and 675LTS. I do love my RS but it's bested by a 12C or 650S and utterly annihilated by the LT on road or track. I've owned McLs for 4 years and none of them have ever missed a beat. Meanwhile, my 991 GT3 was grounded for 4 months awaiting a new engine and my 991RS had a new PDK box within 4 weeks of delivery.
Then after any track fun I can drive home in the LT with the roof down. I'm a serial Porsche GT owner but they are being left way behind, nothing less than a turbo flat 8 mid engined 960 weighing less than 1200kg will have any hope at all of bettering the Mac P14 that is unveiling at Geneva.
I own both a 991RS and 675LTS. I do love my RS but it's bested by a 12C or 650S and utterly annihilated by the LT on road or track. I've owned McLs for 4 years and none of them have ever missed a beat. Meanwhile, my 991 GT3 was grounded for 4 months awaiting a new engine and my 991RS had a new PDK box within 4 weeks of delivery.
Then after any track fun I can drive home in the LT with the roof down. I'm a serial Porsche GT owner but they are being left way behind, nothing less than a turbo flat 8 mid engined 960 weighing less than 1200kg will have any hope at all of bettering the Mac P14 that is unveiling at Geneva.[/QUOTE/]
I have the same combination as you, except in different colors. My 675LT spider is Voodoo Blue and my 991 GT3RS is UV.
I have the same combination as you, except in different colors. My 675LT spider is Voodoo Blue and my 991 GT3RS is UV.
I agree 100% with your view.
Congrats, thats a very lovely combo. I'm going to get my P14 in blue or purple, saw the car in December and having a proper viewing on 2nd Feb at the MTC.
Congrats, thats a very lovely combo. I'm going to get my P14 in blue or purple, saw the car in December and having a proper viewing on 2nd Feb at the MTC.
I will be going to the private viewing in NYC, can't wait.
While waiting for my GT3 RS allocation,( supposedly I'm next) I test drove a 570 GT........I did get to try the 570S . all I can sy is these cars are slick and Im tempted to do it.
Elliot
I have been well treated at all three of the Porsche dealerships I have bought cars from. Some others that I have visited have been a good experience as well. All it takes is one arrogant salesperson or dealership to leave a bad taste in one's mouth.
My experience at Scottsdale McLaren was very positive. Carlo was very knowledgeable and friendly even though he knew I was not going to be an immediate buyer. He peaked my interest in McLaren so I have tried to stay up on what they are doing. For me to consider one, however, I would need a dealer nearby. Unfortunately the closest one is 300 miles away. If the economy stays strong and they are able to expand their dealership base, I expect them to continue to grow quickly. To me McLaren equals or exceeds Lambo and Ferrari with out the attitude I hear so much about.
01-12-2017, 10:05 AM
