McLaren Success
10-07-2017, 07:17 AM
#1337
Well yes of course but the gt3s have always done very well relative to others at the ring. At a more conventional track the 720 would be a heck of a lot quicker, just like the 488 which was slower than the .2gt3 at the ring but a lot quicker at Hockenheim for SportAuto.
10-07-2017, 01:45 PM
#1339
Yeah, I was just making a point that the 720S is in no way in the same price range as the regular GT3. And similarly equipped, you have to compare a discounted 570S against an ADM GT3 to get a similar OTD price.
10-07-2017, 03:31 PM
#1340
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agree. I think the biggest issues on price vs availability have to do with the fact that a lot more people can afford these types of cars now and we will continually see this massive competition...which is good and bad.
10-07-2017, 03:58 PM
#1341
For sure. Until our Fed grows some ***** and this ridiculous bubble bursts, assets like this will only keep increasing in price. But, of course, inflation is still minimal they say...
10-07-2017, 11:35 PM
#1342
they tracked the rest of the time.
720s beat every car multiple times except Chiron.
720s was driven by the mclaren sales guy who tracks a couple of times a year and did 1:58.
The mclaren san francisco youtube channel had two of his fast laps on it.
10-08-2017, 12:21 AM
#1343
Two very different cars built for different purposes. Try driving a GT2RS as a daily driver in NYC. 720S rides like a Bentley in comfort mode. Let McLaren release the LT version for comparisons of track cars.
10-09-2017, 10:30 AM
#1345
Drifting
I dunno.
I think the reason that Mclaren doesn't publish Ring times is the same reason Ferrari no longer publishes Ring times-------because their cars don't achieve the lap times on the Ring, that their high-end branding, high HP cars, and high prices would justify.
There was no P1 Ring time because it was clearly slower than the 918, and laferrari. The 720s specs sound amazing, but they don't want to see it beaten on the Ring by cheaper models from Porsche, or other manufacturers.
I think the reason that Mclaren doesn't publish Ring times is the same reason Ferrari no longer publishes Ring times-------because their cars don't achieve the lap times on the Ring, that their high-end branding, high HP cars, and high prices would justify.
There was no P1 Ring time because it was clearly slower than the 918, and laferrari. The 720s specs sound amazing, but they don't want to see it beaten on the Ring by cheaper models from Porsche, or other manufacturers.
Porsche 918 time was not legit - the Viper could not get to their time and clearly beat the 918 at 13 tracks around the US. The Viper ran long after the 918 where the track became faster and supposedly Porsche went back with the updated 918 and still could not get below 7 minutes.
720s at 350 is cheaper than the GT2RS - add ADM and it's much cheaper and takes a phone call to purchase.
Last edited by nuvolari612; 10-09-2017 at 10:48 AM.
10-09-2017, 12:36 PM
#1346
Drifting
FF had a 420k sticker 2 years it's worth 150k maybe as did Bentley SuperSport Merc CL65 vs my Mclaren 305 sticker two years later 195k that I bought 70k off msrp = 2k to daily drive a car per month is cheap.
Showroom or ordered new720s F12 812 Bentley RR - if the customer is worried what their car is worth they are playing in the wrong league. That's why used cars above 200k struggle - it's a limited market and for that reason all high ticket luxury cars depreciate and quickly settle in the 2's or below.
10-09-2017, 03:14 PM
#1347
Drifting
Porsche 918 time was not legit - the Viper could not get to their time and clearly beat the 918 at 13 tracks around the US. The Viper ran long after the 918 where the track became faster and supposedly Porsche went back with the updated 918 and still could not get below 7 minutes.
918 did three laps back to back to back at 6:57 (all within a few tenths of each other) earlier this year when Porsche was setting the Ring lap time for the 991.2 GT3. You can even see the lap times in the GT3 video/pictures on the billboard.
The Viper is a great track car (I have driven my buddy's car a few times at the rack). Unlike the Lambo SV, I don't doubt any of the Viper's lap times set here on the US tracks. However, due to Viper's high downforce set up and relative lack of power, it does not favor high power tracks (eg. Monza, Portimao, Ring).
10-09-2017, 04:24 PM
#1348
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720S MSRP = $284,745.00
570S MSRP = $188,600.00
Plus options of course. And each car comes standard with carbon ceramics as it should. Things like lifter cost only $2,500 vs the $3,500 Porsche charges.
720S is less than the GT2. Yeah 570 is more money than GT3 but it's more car. Better comparison would be the GT3RS or perhaps Turbo S.
570S MSRP = $188,600.00
Plus options of course. And each car comes standard with carbon ceramics as it should. Things like lifter cost only $2,500 vs the $3,500 Porsche charges.
720S is less than the GT2. Yeah 570 is more money than GT3 but it's more car. Better comparison would be the GT3RS or perhaps Turbo S.
10-09-2017, 06:16 PM
#1349
Drifting
Keep spreading misinformation on Rennlist buddy.
918 did three laps back to back to back at 6:57 (all within a few tenths of each other) earlier this year when Porsche was setting the Ring lap time for the 991.2 GT3. You can even see the lap times in the GT3 video/pictures on the billboard.
The Viper is a great track car (I have driven my buddy's car a few times at the rack). Unlike the Lambo SV, I don't doubt any of the Viper's lap times set here on the US tracks. However, due to Viper's high downforce set up and relative lack of power, it does not favor high power tracks (eg. Monza, Portimao, Ring).
918 did three laps back to back to back at 6:57 (all within a few tenths of each other) earlier this year when Porsche was setting the Ring lap time for the 991.2 GT3. You can even see the lap times in the GT3 video/pictures on the billboard.
The Viper is a great track car (I have driven my buddy's car a few times at the rack). Unlike the Lambo SV, I don't doubt any of the Viper's lap times set here on the US tracks. However, due to Viper's high downforce set up and relative lack of power, it does not favor high power tracks (eg. Monza, Portimao, Ring).
10-09-2017, 08:09 PM
#1350
