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Old 06-02-2017, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes View Post
Agree. Some of these Euro reviewers seem to be as much about making fashion statements as driving the cars.
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Apart from JWW's flashy sunglasses (and a really nice leather jacket ) I'd say it's the exact opposite from what I've seen.
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So apart from those two fashion statements, it's not about fashion statements?
You've overlooked his Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Offshore, as well.
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Old 06-02-2017, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by fastmd View Post
If you are on a fixed budget and worried about costs, why don't you buy a used GT3, 991 or 997?

The cars you are talking about started out a different price point and will be more to maintain.

The glass engine cover latch on my 675 LT stopped working, so no access to engine. It cost $12,000.00 to replace as it comes as one piece, was covered under warranty.
Note to self. Don't buy a Mac without warranty. That is insane.
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Old 06-02-2017, 06:33 PM
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My interest in getting a 570S has been growing over the last few month to the point where I recently decided I would pull the trigger.

After looking at the price of a new one (euro 230+K) vs the price of a <12 month old used car (euro 170K), I decided to look for a low mileage used one and let the first owner take the enormous depreciation hit.

I drew up a list of must have options (white, orange calipers, front lift, sports exhaust, camera, etc) and went on the hunt. But here's my problem.

I have now driven 3 cars that largely met my requirements but ALL had electrical problems on the test drive. The first one threw an engine fault, the second the dashboard could not be reconfigured ignoring all efforts to change it, and on the third one the reversing camera would not work. I am scheduled to drive a fourth one on Wednesday but I am now reconsidering my decision considering the issues I have faced just on simple test drives. Makes me think these cars were dumped by their previous owners, and one was an ex-Mclaren factory car.

Now I know that this experience may not align with others on this forum but 3 fails out of 3 cars is not good for my perception of the level of reliability I will get from the brand.
Met a guy at the track with a 570S... he had a similar experience, been having electrical issues on and off.. Sometimes everything works, then the next day numerous faults, then next day back to normal and everything is fine... Car always ran well regardless of faults he said, just never knew which one would appear or feature wouldn't work... It didn't stop him from tracking it and he said it was his only car.
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Old 06-02-2017, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by T10Chris View Post
Met a guy at the track with a 570S... he had a similar experience, been having electrical issues on and off.. Sometimes everything works, then the next day numerous faults, then next day back to normal and everything is fine... Car always ran well regardless of faults he said, just never knew which one would appear or feature wouldn't work... It didn't stop him from tracking it and he said it was his only car.
I heard a rumor that they are actually built by British Leyland using Lucas electrical components.
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by drdonger View Post
Note to self. Don't buy a Mac without warranty. That is insane.
This is not isolated with Mclaren. This is the reality of owning any supercar. The 911 is not a supercar, the 675 LT is. I am sure many owners would like to believe a 911 is(except 959).

With the price of many used exotics coming into the realm of new high end sports car, many people will painfully experience that admission price isn't the whole picture(lambo, Ferrari, mclaren etc.).
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Old 06-03-2017, 11:50 AM
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I just got home from spending 4 days in France with the McLaren F1 club. Got to drive P1, 720S and F1.

I might be one of the few guys on the board here to drive all 3 and owned/own a 675LT/650/12c/p1...

675LT is super stiff and super low and super loud. The transmission programming is amazing. There is a noise and violence present that no porsche other than a CGT can duplicate. The lightweight is apparent with every stab of a pedal. I had been telling everyone that it is my ultimate car- the best and most impressive road car I have ever driven. That's a strong enough statement that I don't need to belabor the point.

The P1 is more dramatic, more extroverted visually and insanely powerful. It folds the horizon into your windshield and no car other than a veyron SS (1200hp version) compares to the warp speed effect above 140mph. It never relents. But on track it has more inertia than the 675 and needs a more delicate and forward looking approach due to higher terminal velocities. The aero advantage on track is prodigious- at buttonwillow, you can go flat from bus stop to phil hill in the dry. At Willow Springs you enter T8 on power at 145-150mph. On street tires.

The 720S:

I turned it on, put it in manual mode, selected Sport/ Sport, and flogged the beans off it for 12 miles on some wide open country roads. It was low on gas so I was limited. There is no car I have ever driven that you can just pound on an uneven and unfamiliar road at 140mph that I have ever driven. The extra torque from the 4.0L vs 3.8 at 4500 rpm is noticeable and it still has that ridiculous top end rip from the 675LT. Because of the suspension compliance and that little bit of extra ground clearance...you can push it harder with less fear of scraping and blasting the chin spoiler. It has the same sensation of lightness of the 675 but the steering is lighter- more like the weight of a 993RS/ GT2 (i forget if the TT had the same sensation) but overall the noise POINTS and the gas pedal explodes the car forward. It is violent. But I am talking full on go to jail or crash the car type speeds. I made zero attempt to pull from 5th gear at 30mph. It was flagrant and dangerous but like I mentioned on the MrJWW and other "semi-press" vids: this car needs a wide road to push it. No guardrails.

The steering wheel is lively in your hands, like the 911R. The power delivery is savage but the noise and alacrity of the 675LT is turned down from 11 to 8.5. The transmission snaps and rips through gears like the LT. It is more civilized for daily use. There will be nothing hanging with it on canyon drives or track days. It's another "3 cars in one" type of car: Long Road Trips, Canyon/Track, Daily Use possible due to the comfort and compliance on road. Name:  photo169.jpg
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Old 06-03-2017, 12:08 PM
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The drive in that F1 is just not fair!
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Old 06-03-2017, 12:09 PM
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^ awesome CJ. Thanks!
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Old 06-03-2017, 01:13 PM
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Uh, bugger the 720!! What did you think of the F1 CJ, especially say compared to a cgt. I'm assuming by the pictures you drove one of the road cars rather than a GTR as well?
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What an amazing experience,must have been a fun day. I'm surprised that LM was a manual, must be a dream to drive.
How did the f1 feel compared to p1?
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Old 06-03-2017, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by isv View Post
Uh, bugger the 720!! What did you think of the F1 CJ, especially say compared to a cgt. I'm assuming by the pictures you drove one of the road cars rather than a GTR as well?
my thoughts exactly
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Old 06-03-2017, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by fun2k
What an amazing experience,must have been a fun day. I'm surprised that LM was a manual, must be a dream to drive.
How did the f1 feel compared to p1?
I will start a fresh thread for that
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Old 06-03-2017, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 17bhub View Post
The drive in that F1 is just not fair!
If I could have one car... LM. But that's a converted race car not an LM, yes? Looking forward to that review...
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Old 06-03-2017, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by C.J. Ichiban View Post
I just got home from spending 4 days in France with the McLaren F1 club. Got to drive P1, 720S and F1.

I might be one of the few guys on the board here to drive all 3 and owned/own a 675LT/650/12c/p1...
How was the F1?!!? Can you talk about your different experiences driving the F1 road car vs the GTR? Do you have a preference? How does the road car transmission compare​ to the race transmission (Xtrac six speed sequential transmission)? Is the clutch feel similar to the CGT?

Sorry. Posted this before seeing the replies above.
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