PantsFire

MrJWW is a brilliant youtuber and a great contrast to Chris Harris, I'd not be at all surprised to see him hosting Top Gear at some point in the future.

d00d

Maybe it's just me, but the way he plucks at the paddles like Townshend on his guitar annoys me no end, that and the complicated eye wear.

PantsFire

haha, yeah, he does a dramatic flick which to me seems unwise, especially when you're pushing it and should be focused on the road, but the shifts do sound nice

ipse dixit

I've had extensive time behind the wheel of an R8 V10+, and was this close to getting one, but the weight of the car and the AWD were ultimately deal breakers, especially on track.

As a pure daily driver, I think the R8 is a fantastic car (esp. with that sonorous V10 right behind your ear), and it's much more of an event car to drive around day-in-and-day-out. Certainly more than a 911 4S, but not so much of an attention magnet as a 570S would be. Ingress-egress is also easier in the R8 (even with the lower carbon tub of the 570S.)

Also the turbo lag on the 570S, while bearable, is certainly something one has to get acclimated to.

Plus, the fit-and-finish and reliability of Audi compared to a McLaren is basically like comparing the brand cachet of a Rolls Royce with a Kia.

neoprufrok

A lot of LT owners are not moving towards a 720S. Especially the ones without the bank to afford both. The cars are totally different.

That said, the 720S is an amazing machine.

Scrappy1972

Not only that, some are passing on the 720S in favor of a used LT (and paying significantly more for that decision).

mousemaster

The post by KYROCKS is exactly the information I am looking for in this thread. While the 12C (used) is within my purchase budget, I am very concerned about the reliability of the car. The dealer warranty is expensive at $4500 per year and you have to add the annual service, track inspections (1 hour pre, 3 hours post) to the ownership costs.

There are virtually no after market shops that are up to speed on the McLaren in my area and the parts are from a very small dealer network so there is no competition for below list on replacements. The GT3 (991.2) that I am on the list for will probably never materialize since I am not an existing customer and the lack of an endorsement for a used 458 on the track has me wondering what car to get at this point. Unlike some members here, I have waited a lifetime for the time to purchase a 6 figure exotic due to family needs. I want to have a nice looking car (the Mac and the 458/430 are at the top on that) and I want something to take to Autoclub or Laguna Seca without having to bring it home on a trailer.

No doubt there are good experiences out there with a used 12C but the exposure to the risk is really making me pause. The 458 needs another year or two before I can reach it as a used vehicle but I guess I can wait.

thebishman

I have to tell you that I also love Maccas, but the stories above of the electrical issues with the 570S, and the out of warranty costs scare the poop out of me. Plus no local dealerships and lack of independent support at this time.

Re: other cars. Have you thought about the soon to be released AMG GT R?

Bish

fastmd

If you are on a fixed budget and worried about costs, why don't you buy a used GT3, 991 or 997?

The cars you are talking about started out a different price point and will be more to maintain.

The glass engine cover latch on my 675 LT stopped working, so no access to engine. It cost $12,000.00 to replace as it comes as one piece, was covered under warranty.

Nizer

Or if you want the Cliff Notes version (is this kid even old enough to drive?):

OMFS

Seen through glass guy bought a Alfa 4c so I can't take his advice. The other kid likely drives a slammed honda civic. LT vs 720? I hope someone make a track video comparing them.

Archimedes

Agree. Some of these Euro reviewers seem to be as much about making fashion statements as driving the cars.

laranja

I think it's a good review - he makes a bunch of
good points, and you have to give him credit
for being willing to say something negative,
even if it's a click bait tactic in the title.

He emphasizes why he personally isn't
overwhelmed and wouldn't really want the
car.

He might not get invited to the next Macca
preview...

A lot of what he's saying I think is
actually true about the 720s - it's very
very impressive technically, but does it
scream "drive me". And it's a problem
that most super fast cars have these
days. They are too good for most
uses.

His complaint is not unprecedented, it's what reviews about
modern Lambo's were like after the years
of the scary early Countach's. "This Lambo
won't kill you, so therefore it's not as fun!"

Anyways, rather than make an ad hominem attack on the
young, rich british douches who've somehow
built YouTube channels that get 10x the views
of traditional car magazine's, I appreciate
his candor here.

Zlaatan

Apart from JWW's flashy sunglasses (and a really nice leather jacket ) I'd say it's the exact opposite from what I've seen.

Archimedes

So apart from those two fashion statements, it's not about fashion statements?