McLaren Success
04-11-2017, 02:38 PM
#602
That is very true. Of the younger enthusiasts that I'm in contact with, those who are into Porsches are really into the air-cooled models, but that's a very small niche. I don't necessarily see those guys going from air-cooled cars to anything other than GT models.
Most of these younger guys see newer 911 models as old people cars. McLaren, on the other hand, represent dream cars for a much larger segment. If they can continue to refine their Sport Series line, there seems to be a very large market share they can pull from Porsche / Ferrari and respective second-hand markets.
Most of these younger guys see newer 911 models as old people cars. McLaren, on the other hand, represent dream cars for a much larger segment. If they can continue to refine their Sport Series line, there seems to be a very large market share they can pull from Porsche / Ferrari and respective second-hand markets.
I find that the millennials who are into cars are really no different than we were, just more diverse in their opinions because there are more options today than there were 30-40 years ago.
04-11-2017, 03:15 PM
#603
You guys in the USA seem to be so down on your Porsche dealers. Over here, in Europe, I could not praise my local dealer highly enough. Truly friendly and personable guys. They know all their customers and look after them.
On the other hand, the Mclaren dealers are so small, its very difficult to even get to see one. My nearest dealer is in Brussels over 50kms from my home. It is a small two car show room that is sometimes not even open. I have now made two visits trying to look at a 570S I'm an interested in without much success.
And thats the thing that holds me back from jumping into the brand. I know with Porsche that if I am half way across Europe somewhere and something happens, there is likely to be a Porsche dealer within 100kms max from me that will come and pick up my car. With Mclaren, you could be stranded 100s of kms away without any help which is a concern when I hear about the reliability issues.
So for me it's not a choice of a Pcar or an Mcar. If it was a choice of one car only, I would never choose an Mcar over a Pcar. Never.
On the other hand, the Mclaren dealers are so small, its very difficult to even get to see one. My nearest dealer is in Brussels over 50kms from my home. It is a small two car show room that is sometimes not even open. I have now made two visits trying to look at a 570S I'm an interested in without much success.
And thats the thing that holds me back from jumping into the brand. I know with Porsche that if I am half way across Europe somewhere and something happens, there is likely to be a Porsche dealer within 100kms max from me that will come and pick up my car. With Mclaren, you could be stranded 100s of kms away without any help which is a concern when I hear about the reliability issues.
So for me it's not a choice of a Pcar or an Mcar. If it was a choice of one car only, I would never choose an Mcar over a Pcar. Never.
What is imo a much bigger issue is lack of dealerships and servicing capacity for the smaller more niggly issues that Mclaren tend to have.
If it's the choice of one car only, the Mclarens drive better (outside of a lack of a NA engine which is a big issue admittedly) than any modern Porsche (991 gen) I have tried, gt3 and rs inclusive. However values wise you'd never going to do as well. So it depends which one you'd be willing to compromise.
04-11-2017, 03:16 PM
#604
Rennlist Member
I took my 17 year old son and his buddy to the McLaren dealer to look at the 570S and they both thought they looked odd, especially the front. Both really prefer the GT4/GT3 look to the McLarens or even the Ferraris.
I find that the millennials who are into cars are really no different than we were, just more diverse in their opinions because there are more options today than there were 30-40 years ago.
I find that the millennials who are into cars are really no different than we were, just more diverse in their opinions because there are more options today than there were 30-40 years ago.
04-11-2017, 05:00 PM
#605
Rennlist Member
Someone here put the idea of a 458 in my head. Now I'm off the 570s and looking for a 458. The used prices are comparable to the 570s, but the engine sounds are not...
04-11-2017, 05:48 PM
#606
04-11-2017, 05:58 PM
#607
Race Director
Originally Posted by jlee504
Someone here put the idea of a 458 in my head. Now I'm off the 570s and looking for a 458. The used prices are comparable to the 570s, but the engine sounds are not...
As far as McLaren, I just think the future looks very very bright for them. A niche enthusiast sports car company. As we know, a dying breed.
With others looking to be the next BMW, there will always be a niche company out there offering something more unique.
-not my taste
04-11-2017, 06:14 PM
#609
Rennlist Member
Not 100% sure what the situation is for Europe but would be reasonably certain that like in the UK, the manufacturer warranty covers roadside assistance. A dealer isn't the one coming out but Mclaren have various agreements to be able to recover a stranded car back to your local dealer or the nearest one if it's a 'small' issue that can be sorted quick.
What is imo a much bigger issue is lack of dealerships and servicing capacity for the smaller more niggly issues that Mclaren tend to have.
If it's the choice of one car only, the Mclarens drive better (outside of a lack of a NA engine which is a big issue admittedly) than any modern Porsche (991 gen) I have tried, gt3 and rs inclusive. However values wise you'd never going to do as well. So it depends which one you'd be willing to compromise.
What is imo a much bigger issue is lack of dealerships and servicing capacity for the smaller more niggly issues that Mclaren tend to have.
If it's the choice of one car only, the Mclarens drive better (outside of a lack of a NA engine which is a big issue admittedly) than any modern Porsche (991 gen) I have tried, gt3 and rs inclusive. However values wise you'd never going to do as well. So it depends which one you'd be willing to compromise.
Same for my M2 and the AMG GTR I have coming in August. I know I will always have options close by. If the 570S were more reliable it would be any easy decision but every 570S owner I speak to has had electrical problems. I just need to get a bit more assured on the reliability front before I take the leap and add one to my garage.
04-11-2017, 09:27 PM
#611
Burning Brakes
In my garage everyone chooses my Mclaren 675 LT(all my sons friends only want rides in the Mclaren). My daughters friends all prefer my G63. Kids are strange. Most will end up uber/sharing rides in the future probably.
04-11-2017, 09:54 PM
#612
Race Director
04-11-2017, 10:02 PM
#615
Three Wheelin'
If you can drive them hard before you make a decision. I always felt the base 458 looked better than it drove and just didn't feel fast that's why I dumped mine. The 458 Speciale is much better and I think it's a great car.
In my garage everyone chooses my Mclaren 675 LT(all my sons friends only want rides in the Mclaren). My daughters friends all prefer my G63. Kids are strange. Most will end up uber/sharing rides in the future probably.
In my garage everyone chooses my Mclaren 675 LT(all my sons friends only want rides in the Mclaren). My daughters friends all prefer my G63. Kids are strange. Most will end up uber/sharing rides in the future probably.
hahaha...all things relative, I guess
anyone who I drive in my 458 is scared $hitless at 6K, never mind 9K
cannot see a reason for more power on the street, but thats just MHO
i do not track the 458...GT3 and GT4 are plenty for both speed and analog involvement for me
I came from a 750 hp/tq ZR1 and these cars with less than 500 hp are much easier to drive fast (6 seconds at WGI)