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Old 02-15-2019, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by -eztrader- View Post
Haven't driven this car yet - would love to . . . .but - after driving the 570 was definitely put off by the lag . . agree with him on that point.
Try the other cars. The lag is noticeable in the 570 but not in the other models (600, 720)
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Originally Posted by neanicu View Post
Chris Harris on the 600 LT :

https://youtu.be/LyXcS0vGNdM
and yet.. they couldn't keep the head-rest from detaching under braking at each turn... ARGH that QC!
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Old 02-16-2019, 02:45 AM
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and yet.. they couldn't keep the head-rest from detaching under braking at each turn... ARGH that QC!
Prototype car with prototype seats. You can tell by the finish, which is not the same as production. And, per his commentary, sounded like they were changing out the padding from standard to touring (or perhaps something other than those two production options). So, perfectly understandable. But hey, people with an angle going to keep pushing that angle!
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Old 02-16-2019, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ILLCOMM
Prototype car with prototype seats. You can tell by the finish, which is not the same as production. And, per his commentary, sounded like they were changing out the padding from standard to touring (or perhaps something other than those two production options). So, perfectly understandable. But hey, people with an angle going to keep pushing that angle!
What in the world are you talking about?? what prototype are you referring to.. I'm not even sure you understand what a protytype is?? it's not even a mule, the car has been in production for almost a year now, but more relevantly, these seats specifically have been in production since the Senna for even longer. And check my previous posts, no angle here, a fanboy if anything with mclaren experience (maybe engage grey matter before .)
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Old 02-16-2019, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by CAlexio
What in the world are you talking about?? what prototype are you referring to.. I'm not even sure you understand what a protytype is?? it's not even a mule, the car has been in production for almost a year now, but more relevantly, these seats specifically have been in production since the Senna for even longer. And check my previous posts, no angle here, a fanboy if anything with mclaren experience (maybe engage grey matter before .)
The video clearly shows the car is a prototype vehicle at 4:55. Both the license plate and the side decal... I drove a pre-production 570S a few years ago, and it had similar QC issues.
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Old 02-16-2019, 11:35 AM
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Seems like his takeaway is it's a fantastically fun car that he would rather have than a Senna...and finally a journo who doesn't "need" the Senna seats lol. Still my favorite of the supercars I've driven, and I just drove a stock and 760 RWHP 2019 gt2rs...wouldn't for a second trade straight up into either, complete snooze fest compared to the LT.
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Old 02-16-2019, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CAlexio View Post
What in the world are you talking about?? what prototype are you referring to.. I'm not even sure you understand what a protytype is?? it's not even a mule, the car has been in production for almost a year now, but more relevantly, these seats specifically have been in production since the Senna for even longer. And check my previous posts, no angle here, a fanboy if anything with mclaren experience
it's got PP867 on the side like all the other Mclaren factory pre production cars? Maybe you need a trip to specsavers instead of others needing to engage grey matter.....
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Old 02-16-2019, 04:23 PM
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I have not done an exhaustive examination, but Chris Harris' review marks the *third* in which the reviewer says they'd take the 600LT over the Senna. I honestly don't know what to make of it - is there something wrong with the Senna or is the 600LT that good?

Here are time-stamped links to the other two:

1: (at 9:24)
2: (at 3:15)

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CAlexio I think this review was filmed a long time ago. No idea why it was held back - maybe Top Gear's decision? - but he was clearly driving a pre-production car. Just pointing out the flopping headrest on a pre-production car isn't what we should be taking away from and posting about w.r.t. the video. It's a lazy take. That's all.

The weather sucked for his review which I think took away from the viewers experience. But he does make a couple real criticisms:
- turbo lag (seems legit and I agree w/ his question about the decision to have it)
- open diff in wet conditions with tight turns

I think he really liked the car? But I think there is a way to watch that review and feel underwhelmed.

But let's be honest, what we really want is Chris to put a 600LT and 3RS on a track at the same time for a proper comparison.
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Old 02-16-2019, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ILLCOMM View Post

But let's be honest, what we really want is Chris to put a 600LT and 3RS on a track at the same time for a proper comparison.
I think Randy Pobst is doing exactly that for MT, looking forward to seeing it.
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Old 02-16-2019, 10:16 PM
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Had a chance to drive a 2019 570S yesterday. Very nice car. Completely different than the GT3... Thank you CJ for a nice experience at your Scottsdale AZ store. You and your staff were pro's, informative, friendly and ready to do business. Lots to consider....
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Roadking
Had a chance to drive a 2019 570S yesterday. Very nice car. Completely different than the GT3... Thank you CJ for a nice experience at your Scottsdale AZ store. You and your staff were pro's, informative, friendly and ready to do business. Lots to consider....
Thank you- glad the test drive was good. We did have one guy recently who buzzed a group of cyclists down the street and got in trouble!

The 600LT is an awesome car- and a Senna is both awesome and incredibly weird but incredibly expensive. I think a lot of reviewers are simply blown away with the feel and dynamics of McLaren's latest track rat. Some people like the Gt3RS over the GT2RS for the same reason:

Once you get above a certain HP level or dynamic ability of the car...some of the fun dissolves and the stress and pressure of a hypercar like a 918/P1/LaF/Senna/ etc eats into the fun/playful element of driving.

Cars like that are so capable and so fast that you have to take a serious approach to it or risk totalling the car.

The viper/performante/Gt3/3RS/ 675/ pista/ 600LT/720/Gt2RS are the equivalent fastest 'fun' cars you can drive and get familiar with limits...anything above that level requires such insane commitment to corner entry speed, yaw, deep braking etc that it's mentally taxing. And after driving the Gt2RS (on track)I feel like it's not as fun as it is ludicrous. It's borderline unfun due to terminal velocity and grip. I can hop straight into a 600LT or 3RS and get to my 10/10ths limit for the day within a few minutes. 720/GT2 require WAY more throttle discipline.

Even guys like chris harris do not want to bin / bend/ twerk a hypercar. They don't feel so bad about roasting brakes and tires on a GT3, and performance is much more accessible.
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:38 AM
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A lot of people think Harris has "sold out" or something, but that video is about as useful a review as one could find.

CJ's comments also great: Some fun and playfulness "dissolves". Spot on.
Let's face it, not many $1M+ cars gonna get 10/10ths on track. And that's probably a good thing.
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by C.J. Ichiban View Post
Thank you- glad the test drive was good. We did have one guy recently who buzzed a group of cyclists down the street and got in trouble!

The 600LT is an awesome car- and a Senna is both awesome and incredibly weird but incredibly expensive. I think a lot of reviewers are simply blown away with the feel and dynamics of McLaren's latest track rat. Some people like the Gt3RS over the GT2RS for the same reason:

Once you get above a certain HP level or dynamic ability of the car...some of the fun dissolves and the stress and pressure of a hypercar like a 918/P1/LaF/Senna/ etc eats into the fun/playful element of driving.

Cars like that are so capable and so fast that you have to take a serious approach to it or risk totalling the car.

The viper/performante/Gt3/3RS/ 675/ pista/ 600LT/720/Gt2RS are the equivalent fastest 'fun' cars you can drive and get familiar with limits...anything above that level requires such insane commitment to corner entry speed, yaw, deep braking etc that it's mentally taxing. And after driving the Gt2RS (on track)I feel like it's not as fun as it is ludicrous. It's borderline unfun due to terminal velocity and grip. I can hop straight into a 600LT or 3RS and get to my 10/10ths limit for the day within a few minutes. 720/GT2 require WAY more throttle discipline.

Even guys like chris harris do not want to bin / bend/ twerk a hypercar. They don't feel so bad about roasting brakes and tires on a GT3, and performance is much more accessible.
Thanks CJ. Wise words from someone who has experienced more great cars than most of us here.

This is why I'm happy with my GT3. (also that it looks less extreme/crazy than an RS), or a lambo, mac, ferrari, etc.

Still a very special car, accessible track fun per your description above, and you also don't cause street accidents from passing motorists gawking at your car.

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Old 02-17-2019, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by C.J. Ichiban View Post
I can hop straight into a 600LT or 3RS and get to my 10/10ths limit for the day within a few minutes.
Yikes! Driving either of those cars at 10/10ths without a full cage, harnesses and HANS is crazy IMHO. I have 20+ years experience on track and I would never do that.
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