McLaren Success
01-31-2019, 03:19 PM
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01-31-2019, 05:06 PM
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Not just McLaren problem. I thoroughly embarrassed myself in 911 once - drove as close to the reader as possible to reach it, but it was too high to reach anyway. But I could not get out either because the door was practically pressed against the reader, and I could not back up because there was a car behind me.
01-31-2019, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxLTV
Not just McLaren problem. I thoroughly embarrassed myself in 911 once - drove as close to the reader as possible to reach it, but it was too high to reach anyway. But I could not get out either because the door was practically pressed against the reader, and I could not back up because there was a car behind me.
01-31-2019, 05:31 PM
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Felt a little weird on the street but imagine it works nicely on the track.
02-01-2019, 02:29 AM
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Biggest issue for me on Mclaren is the rattles, Iris speed of startup and other interesting quirks and annoyances.
Porsche just always works. Fast. Reliable. Yet, not exotic.
I choose Mclaren and Porsche as my top cars all things considered. Porsche needs sex appeal improvement (outside of GT cars) and Mclaren needs real world improvement. So I’ll drive both for now and smile.
And will echo this. As someone considering a 600LT and a 3RS, who has a ton of time in Porsche's GT cars and nearly none in McLaren world, my take on McLaren (based on a couple days in a loaner 570GT) would be as above.
In fact, the McLaren reminded me a lot of my Tesla. Forced, as a startup, to compete on insanely good interior material design Tesla simply decided to cheat and get rid of almost everything and dump it into a giant screen. I don't think anyone who owns a Tesla would argue the interior approaches that of a Porsche or BMW (try adjusting the temperature while driving on a bumpy road), but I also think most Tesla owners would say they love the car despite its quirks, rattles, and compromises (and there are absolutely some). The cars are obviously very different, but the interior of the McLaren immediately reminded me of the Tesla given how sparse it is and in the numerous ways it is inferior to say a GT3 RS which just feels a world apart. (I acknowledge some folks like and would always prefer sparse.)
The IRIS system (or whatever) on the McLaren sucks. Big time. The elctro-hydraulic steering pump makes a borderline awful whine. The nose lift is inexplicably buried in a menu you have to navigate using a steering wheel stalk, and takes 2x as long as Porsche. I found the IC graphics to be ... lame, like looking at Telsa's v1 UI design vs current. And so on.
All that said, For about $20k more than a well optioned 3RS I can get a 600LT that shoots flames!
Forgive the little boy in me, but ... um yeah. Flames. They shoot out the back, upward. Like, into the air. (I also tend to think it's going to be pretty stellar on the track.)
The 3RS is just not as exotic/special/different/whatever. When I parked the 570GT in my driveway (dark grey color, not even a skittles color!) some alarm bell went off and every boy in the neighborhood somehow got word, hopped on their bike, and started ringing my bell. My GT2 has been on the driveway countless times. Obviously, the same thing has never happened.
I think I am going to go 600LT and pair it with the GT2 and call it a day. But damn, this is been an excruciatingly difficult decision.
(If Senna's are burning how long until a flame shooting 600LT burns??? LOL)
02-01-2019, 05:44 AM
#3114
Very true. A lot of reliability issues are due to scale of production. Mclaren electronics are always going to be sketchy, my 2017 570s had gremlins, because Mclaren does not source their systems from BMW, MB, or VW group, which have huge lineups of vehicles that use lost of similar components that have been market tested.
Reliability is a genuine concern for me with McLaren, especially when all my other cars have been ultra reliable. With that said, this concern did not stop me from ordering a 600LT!
02-01-2019, 08:35 AM
#3115
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Just read this really, really long thread and will echo pretty much anything @C.J. Ichiban said.
And will echo this. As someone considering a 600LT and a 3RS, who has a ton of time in Porsche's GT cars and nearly none in McLaren world, my take on McLaren (based on a couple days in a loaner 570GT) would be as above.
In fact, the McLaren reminded me a lot of my Tesla. Forced, as a startup, to compete on insanely good interior material design Tesla simply decided to cheat and get rid of almost everything and dump it into a giant screen. I don't think anyone who owns a Tesla would argue the interior approaches that of a Porsche or BMW (try adjusting the temperature while driving on a bumpy road), but I also think most Tesla owners would say they love the car despite its quirks, rattles, and compromises (and there are absolutely some). The cars are obviously very different, but the interior of the McLaren immediately reminded me of the Tesla given how sparse it is and in the numerous ways it is inferior to say a GT3 RS which just feels a world apart. (I acknowledge some folks like and would always prefer sparse.)
The IRIS system (or whatever) on the McLaren sucks. Big time. The elctro-hydraulic steering pump makes a borderline awful whine. The nose lift is inexplicably buried in a menu you have to navigate using a steering wheel stalk, and takes 2x as long as Porsche. I found the IC graphics to be ... lame, like looking at Telsa's v1 UI design vs current. And so on.
All that said, For about $20k more than a well optioned 3RS I can get a 600LT that shoots flames!
Forgive the little boy in me, but ... um yeah. Flames. They shoot out the back, upward. Like, into the air. (I also tend to think it's going to be pretty stellar on the track.)
The 3RS is just not as exotic/special/different/whatever. When I parked the 570GT in my driveway (dark grey color, not even a skittles color!) some alarm bell went off and every boy in the neighborhood somehow got word, hopped on their bike, and started ringing my bell. My GT2 has been on the driveway countless times. Obviously, the same thing has never happened.
I think I am going to go 600LT and pair it with the GT2 and call it a day. But damn, this is been an excruciatingly difficult decision.
(If Senna's are burning how long until a flame shooting 600LT burns??? LOL)
And will echo this. As someone considering a 600LT and a 3RS, who has a ton of time in Porsche's GT cars and nearly none in McLaren world, my take on McLaren (based on a couple days in a loaner 570GT) would be as above.
In fact, the McLaren reminded me a lot of my Tesla. Forced, as a startup, to compete on insanely good interior material design Tesla simply decided to cheat and get rid of almost everything and dump it into a giant screen. I don't think anyone who owns a Tesla would argue the interior approaches that of a Porsche or BMW (try adjusting the temperature while driving on a bumpy road), but I also think most Tesla owners would say they love the car despite its quirks, rattles, and compromises (and there are absolutely some). The cars are obviously very different, but the interior of the McLaren immediately reminded me of the Tesla given how sparse it is and in the numerous ways it is inferior to say a GT3 RS which just feels a world apart. (I acknowledge some folks like and would always prefer sparse.)
The IRIS system (or whatever) on the McLaren sucks. Big time. The elctro-hydraulic steering pump makes a borderline awful whine. The nose lift is inexplicably buried in a menu you have to navigate using a steering wheel stalk, and takes 2x as long as Porsche. I found the IC graphics to be ... lame, like looking at Telsa's v1 UI design vs current. And so on.
All that said, For about $20k more than a well optioned 3RS I can get a 600LT that shoots flames!
Forgive the little boy in me, but ... um yeah. Flames. They shoot out the back, upward. Like, into the air. (I also tend to think it's going to be pretty stellar on the track.)
The 3RS is just not as exotic/special/different/whatever. When I parked the 570GT in my driveway (dark grey color, not even a skittles color!) some alarm bell went off and every boy in the neighborhood somehow got word, hopped on their bike, and started ringing my bell. My GT2 has been on the driveway countless times. Obviously, the same thing has never happened.
I think I am going to go 600LT and pair it with the GT2 and call it a day. But damn, this is been an excruciatingly difficult decision.
(If Senna's are burning how long until a flame shooting 600LT burns??? LOL)
02-01-2019, 09:12 AM
#3116
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02-01-2019, 09:36 AM
#3117
It is more tactile (you feel little pebbles and such)
It is lighter than GT3
It builds steering effort more gradually and subtly than GT3 (GT3 has more caster)
Feels delicate, like the 570s does itself.
Has good "straight ahead" tracking.
Need some heat in the tires before the "full feel" is noticed. If driven slowly and casually, it feels a it dull.
I felt like my 570 steering was a 9 out of 10 on the scale-o-meter of joy.
02-01-2019, 09:39 AM
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02-01-2019, 10:32 AM
#3119
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02-01-2019, 01:29 PM
#3120
You should check out recall/manufacture/customer complaints on NHTSA website sometime. The real data would show that Porsche has the most problems of ferrari/mac/lambo by a very, very wide margin.
If people want to buy then they'll find a reason to buy. If they don't want to buy then they'll find a reason to not buy.
Depends what ones mindset is.
If people want to buy then they'll find a reason to buy. If they don't want to buy then they'll find a reason to not buy.
Depends what ones mindset is.