McLaren Success
12-21-2018, 12:19 PM
#2716
As for McLarens, for me the 600lt is by far the most interesting offering they have right now, but the depreciation aside (a major deterrent for sure), I'd hate to have a car that's in the shop all the time for minor and major issues, especially with no local dealership. Some of my friends have had some really frustrating ownership experiences, and went back to Porsche. People's tolerance for these things differ, but I know that for me, nothing takes the fun out of owning a car as quickly as having stuff go wrong all the time. Even with a local dealer it's a hassle.
12-21-2018, 12:22 PM
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12-21-2018, 01:15 PM
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there were a few posts deleted but i posted something about the residual values- basically the 36 month residual on the 600LT is 63% for 15,000 miles (5k/yr)
if you compare that to a 911 Turbo S it's a lot better. Turbo S is below 50%.
Eric and others are correct that there is more inspection or maintenance to do track days etc. but you also have a 3 yr unlimited mile warranty and nobody gives you a hard time when you want to customize your car.
Porsche is definitely less expensive but way more limited in options, more common, and that is how they engineer the pricing. Porsches are also harder to get because so many people can afford 150-220k for a GT3/RS.
mclaren makes 3500-4000 cars worldwide and Porsche sold 2000-3000 GT cars in USA this year. mclaren has around 30 dealers in north america, porsche has 185. completely different scales of all elements.
if you compare that to a 911 Turbo S it's a lot better. Turbo S is below 50%.
Eric and others are correct that there is more inspection or maintenance to do track days etc. but you also have a 3 yr unlimited mile warranty and nobody gives you a hard time when you want to customize your car.
Porsche is definitely less expensive but way more limited in options, more common, and that is how they engineer the pricing. Porsches are also harder to get because so many people can afford 150-220k for a GT3/RS.
mclaren makes 3500-4000 cars worldwide and Porsche sold 2000-3000 GT cars in USA this year. mclaren has around 30 dealers in north america, porsche has 185. completely different scales of all elements.
Everyone knows that Turbo S residuals given by PFS are artificially low. PFS understands the Turbo S buyer is not a payment buyer, so the residuals are set extremely low, which creates a monumental amount of equity at lease maturity. Perhaps it allows PFS to wash out some losses they incur on Panamera leases, but whatever the reason it does not accurately reflect the true value. If the lessee is paying attention, he'll trade the car at lease maturity rather than turn it in, and that huge equity becomes his.
Go to Cars.com - the REAL marketplace with real buyers and sellers. Do a nationwide search for 2016 911 Turbo S's - both coupes and cabs. As of today, there are 18 for sale. They range in price from $175k - $140k (with nearly 50k miles). Original MSRP would have ranged from ~$190K to ~$225K (approximate). Remember, these are 2016's. There are 2017's, 2018's and now 2019's are being delivered, so it accurately reflects many years of depreciation.
Nowhere near "under 50%" depreciation, even with an example having 50k miles.
McLaren ownership has proven to be the exact opposite in terms of depreciation. Buyers have been hammered -- for years, on almost all models.
On another note, if you're selling hats, you should have some made with, "When CJ speaks, Rennlist listens" per the poster above. I think you'd sell them like HOTCAKES to Rennlist guys! Never seen a forum of men so outwardly horny about another man in all my life.
12-21-2018, 01:34 PM
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Former professional baseball player. Has his own race team. Owns lots of cool cars that he drives on track. Shares his experiences and contributes to the forum in ways most cannot. Seems like a nice guy you’d want to have a beer with. Also owns multiple dealerships.
The word “respect” comes to mind. But that is my take. Not saying other guys aren’t horny for him. lol
The word “respect” comes to mind. But that is my take. Not saying other guys aren’t horny for him. lol
12-21-2018, 01:36 PM
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12-21-2018, 01:41 PM
#2721
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Haven’t driven one. I’m sure it’s a blast to drive and I’m happy that McLaren exists but am I the only one that doesn’t find this design attractive? It’s as if it tries too hard and pushes everything “to 11” almost turning it into a caricature of a sports car. McLaren has been churning new iterations of basically the same (turbo, flappy paddles) car so fast that I frankly find it hard to tell one model from another. And losing $100k/yr over 2k miles doesn’t sound appealing either. That 2k mile experience better be other-wordly at that price — we’re talking semi-pro racing budgets here. Or maybe I’m just getting old...
i hear this same type of bs when people tell me it’s such a waste of money to fly private. I will tell you why, it comes down to experience and time for some people.
I am traveling to Tokyo in a few hours with my family. I will leave my house and land in about 12 hours (all in) No canceled flights, no baggage issue, no amateur fliers,
no TSA.
Most Mclaren owners want a different experience and I always enjoy my Mclarens more than my GT cars.
12-21-2018, 01:46 PM
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Read the last three pages of this thread and it's nothing but excessive doting on another man.
You guys need to put your red-hot monkey peters away. This is a car forum, not Grinder.
12-21-2018, 01:57 PM
#2724
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Yep, just a car forum. Happy Holidays, CW. Best wishes to you and your family.
12-21-2018, 01:58 PM
#2725
Originally Posted by Yippiekiaye
i don’t know anyone losing 100k a year on a Mclaren but hey if it makes you sleep better saying that, knock yourself out.
12-21-2018, 02:03 PM
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12-21-2018, 02:20 PM
#2728
I respectfully disagree CJ. Regarding future value and residuals, this is not an accurate comparison.
Everyone knows that Turbo S residuals given by PFS are artificially low. PFS understands the Turbo S buyer is not a payment buyer, so the residuals are set extremely low, which creates a monumental amount of equity at lease maturity. Perhaps it allows PFS to wash out some losses they incur on Panamera leases, but whatever the reason it does not accurately reflect the true value. If the lessee is paying attention, he'll trade the car at lease maturity rather than turn it in, and that huge equity becomes his.
Go to Cars.com - the REAL marketplace with real buyers and sellers. Do a nationwide search for 2016 911 Turbo S's - both coupes and cabs. As of today, there are 18 for sale. They range in price from $175k - $140k (with nearly 50k miles). Original MSRP would have ranged from ~$190K to ~$225K (approximate). Remember, these are 2016's. There are 2017's, 2018's and now 2019's are being delivered, so it accurately reflects many years of depreciation.
Nowhere near "under 50%" depreciation, even with an example having 50k miles.
McLaren ownership has proven to be the exact opposite in terms of depreciation. Buyers have been hammered -- for years, on almost all models.
On another note, if you're selling hats, you should have some made with, "When CJ speaks, Rennlist listens" per the poster above. I think you'd sell them like HOTCAKES to Rennlist guys! Never seen a forum of men so outwardly horny about another man in all my life.
Everyone knows that Turbo S residuals given by PFS are artificially low. PFS understands the Turbo S buyer is not a payment buyer, so the residuals are set extremely low, which creates a monumental amount of equity at lease maturity. Perhaps it allows PFS to wash out some losses they incur on Panamera leases, but whatever the reason it does not accurately reflect the true value. If the lessee is paying attention, he'll trade the car at lease maturity rather than turn it in, and that huge equity becomes his.
Go to Cars.com - the REAL marketplace with real buyers and sellers. Do a nationwide search for 2016 911 Turbo S's - both coupes and cabs. As of today, there are 18 for sale. They range in price from $175k - $140k (with nearly 50k miles). Original MSRP would have ranged from ~$190K to ~$225K (approximate). Remember, these are 2016's. There are 2017's, 2018's and now 2019's are being delivered, so it accurately reflects many years of depreciation.
Nowhere near "under 50%" depreciation, even with an example having 50k miles.
McLaren ownership has proven to be the exact opposite in terms of depreciation. Buyers have been hammered -- for years, on almost all models.
On another note, if you're selling hats, you should have some made with, "When CJ speaks, Rennlist listens" per the poster above. I think you'd sell them like HOTCAKES to Rennlist guys! Never seen a forum of men so outwardly horny about another man in all my life.
12-21-2018, 02:31 PM
#2729
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I don't see how becoming a buyer is a prerequisite for being hung up on costs. On the contrary, someone hung up on costs may not be a buyer precisely for that reason.
i hear this same type of bs when people tell me it’s such a waste of money to fly private. I will tell you why, it comes down to experience and time for some people.