McLaren Success
12-21-2018, 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by robmypro
Exactly. And weren’t people here encouraging CJ to get a Porsche dealership before he even had one?
12-21-2018, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoWhale
CJ - Have you ever considered coming out with your own personal calendar and selling it to these guys?
We do sell hats and team polos
12-21-2018, 09:23 AM
#2705
Originally Posted by Yippiekiaye
Why do people complain about depreciation values when more than likely they can’t even afford a depreciated 600lt let alone one at sticker. Stop talking about price and buy what you can afford. None of these cars are going up in value.
i had zero interest in the 600 lt. but the more I see it, the more I read about it, I’m intrigued. Not enough at this point to get rid of my 720 or 488 for one but maybe soon.
and CJ is a stand up guy. He answers his phone, returns texts. Was very helpful when I was buying my 720 and had some shopping delays that made me super frustrated.
dude sells Porsche, Mclaren, Audi, BMW. He is the EF Hutton of cars. When he speaks, people should listen.
i had zero interest in the 600 lt. but the more I see it, the more I read about it, I’m intrigued. Not enough at this point to get rid of my 720 or 488 for one but maybe soon.
and CJ is a stand up guy. He answers his phone, returns texts. Was very helpful when I was buying my 720 and had some shopping delays that made me super frustrated.
dude sells Porsche, Mclaren, Audi, BMW. He is the EF Hutton of cars. When he speaks, people should listen.
12-21-2018, 09:49 AM
#2706
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Haven’t driven one. I’m sure it’s a blast to drive and I’m happy that McLaren exists but am I the only one that doesn’t find this design attractive? It’s as if it tries too hard and pushes everything “to 11” almost turning it into a caricature of a sports car. McLaren has been churning new iterations of basically the same (turbo, flappy paddles) car so fast that I frankly find it hard to tell one model from another. And losing $100k/yr over 2k miles doesn’t sound appealing either. That 2k mile experience better be other-wordly at that price — we’re talking semi-pro racing budgets here. Or maybe I’m just getting old...
12-21-2018, 10:20 AM
#2707
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Haven’t driven one. I’m sure it’s a blast to drive and I’m happy that McLaren exists but am I the only one that doesn’t find this design attractive? It’s as if it tries too hard and pushes everything “to 11” almost turning it into a caricature of a sports car. McLaren has been churning new iterations of basically the same (turbo, flappy paddles) car so fast that I frankly find it hard to tell one model from another. And losing $100k/yr over 2k miles doesn’t sound appealing either. That 2k mile experience better be other-wordly at that price — we’re talking semi-pro racing budgets here. Or maybe I’m just getting old...
12-21-2018, 10:22 AM
#2708
CJ is a great guy and honest dealer. I'd buy a Porsche from him any time and I did. But he cannot control the quality of McLaren or their stupid pre and post inspection policy. The fact that 600LT can be good on a track does not negate the disadvantages that come with the brand: reliability issues, mandatory paid inspections to maintain warranty, sparse dealer network and yes steep depreciation. We don't buy cars to make money. But it's nice not to loose $50 to 100k on a car after a year and 5-10 track days.
12-21-2018, 10:25 AM
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Haven’t driven one. I’m sure it’s a blast to drive and I’m happy that McLaren exists but am I the only one that doesn’t find this design attractive? It’s as if it tries too hard and pushes everything “to 11” almost turning it into a caricature of a sports car. McLaren has been churning new iterations of basically the same (turbo, flappy paddles) car so fast that I frankly find it hard to tell one model from another. And losing $100k/yr over 2k miles doesn’t sound appealing either. That 2k mile experience better be other-wordly at that price — we’re talking semi-pro racing budgets here. Or maybe I’m just getting old...
12-21-2018, 10:28 AM
#2710
Haven’t driven one. I’m sure it’s a blast to drive and I’m happy that McLaren exists but am I the only one that doesn’t find this design attractive? It’s as if it tries too hard and pushes everything “to 11” almost turning it into a caricature of a sports car. McLaren has been churning new iterations of basically the same (turbo, flappy paddles) car so fast that I frankly find it hard to tell one model from another. And losing $100k/yr over 2k miles doesn’t sound appealing either. That 2k mile experience better be other-wordly at that price — we’re talking semi-pro racing budgets here. Or maybe I’m just getting old...
12-21-2018, 10:52 AM
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12-21-2018, 11:25 AM
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there were a few posts deleted but i posted something about the residual values- basically the 36 month residual on the 600LT is 63% for 15,000 miles (5k/yr)
if you compare that to a 911 Turbo S it's a lot better. Turbo S is below 50%.
Eric and others are correct that there is more inspection or maintenance to do track days etc. but you also have a 3 yr unlimited mile warranty and nobody gives you a hard time when you want to customize your car.
Porsche is definitely less expensive but way more limited in options, more common, and that is how they engineer the pricing. Porsches are also harder to get because so many people can afford 150-220k for a GT3/RS.
mclaren makes 3500-4000 cars worldwide and Porsche sold 2000-3000 GT cars in USA this year. mclaren has around 30 dealers in north america, porsche has 185. completely different scales of all elements.
if you compare that to a 911 Turbo S it's a lot better. Turbo S is below 50%.
Eric and others are correct that there is more inspection or maintenance to do track days etc. but you also have a 3 yr unlimited mile warranty and nobody gives you a hard time when you want to customize your car.
Porsche is definitely less expensive but way more limited in options, more common, and that is how they engineer the pricing. Porsches are also harder to get because so many people can afford 150-220k for a GT3/RS.
mclaren makes 3500-4000 cars worldwide and Porsche sold 2000-3000 GT cars in USA this year. mclaren has around 30 dealers in north america, porsche has 185. completely different scales of all elements.
12-21-2018, 11:39 AM
#2713
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So 37% depreciation over 3yrs and 15k miles on a $300k car is $111k/3yr or $37k/yr. I stand corrected, or maybe McLaren is subsidizing their leases a great deal to help sales. If I remember correctly, there have been 2k miles 1-2yr old examples offered for $100k under MSRP. Given these numbers a lease sounds like a no-brainer for someone in the market for a new 600LT.
12-21-2018, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by hf1
So 37% depreciation over 3yrs and 15k miles on a $300k car is $111k/3yr or $37k/yr. I stand corrected, or maybe McLaren is subsidizing their leases a great deal to help sales. If I remember correctly, there have been 2k miles 1-2yr old examples offered for $100k under MSRP. Given these numbers a lease sounds like a no-brainer for someone in the market for a new 600LT.
Sure- some dealers get desperate to sell poor specs etc or excess inventory.
