McLaren Success
02-08-2017, 07:36 PM
#182
Race Director
That is a great looking car. Congrats! You can always get a Porsche in the future when things get easier.
02-08-2017, 07:52 PM
#183
02-08-2017, 08:14 PM
#184
Drifting
Love that color combo. Enjoy.. She's a beauty...
02-08-2017, 08:41 PM
#185
Rennlist Member
If it has less electric power (help with propulsion), then obviously it uses less battery energy (charge).
Brake regeneration - we have no numbers to know how much that contributes.
The 918 is also heavier, and probably has higher drivetrain losses (simply more moving parts there, a lot more).
Brake regeneration - we have no numbers to know how much that contributes.
The 918 is also heavier, and probably has higher drivetrain losses (simply more moving parts there, a lot more).
It depends on the situation. The P1 has less total peak drain, with the single e-motor, but the 918 doesn't engages both motors all the time and in those cases, the drain will be less than the P1.
Hence why a P1 can't last a trip up the hill at Goodwood on electric power alone while a 918 can do it.
You will be surprised that a 918 is actually simpler than you think. The front drive system is not connected to the rear physically, so it's just the e-motor and the differentials. The rear motor also sits inline with the rear drivetrain, it is basically a drive through system. The P1's drive system is actually more complex, since it wasn't designed as a hybrid in the first place, there is no room for a conventional inline e-motor, they had to stash it off on one side in place of the starter motor and then interface it with a gear set.
02-08-2017, 08:51 PM
#186
Race Director
Is this why there's a definite sense of pendulum effect, in the P1 when you're in left right left transitions?… The 918 feels infinitely more planted in quick transitions, I always assumed it had something to do with the battery being placed higher, or in any case suboptimally in the P1, versus the 918 which I assume to have the battery lower to the ground?
This isn't to say that the P1 is less enjoyable, in fact while it may be marginally slower, the sounds that the p1 makes, the way the butt of the car wiggles under acceleration, and even moves around under braking… Is a lot more entertaining than the 918 which feels a bit like a video Game set to "easy" mode.
This isn't to say that the P1 is less enjoyable, in fact while it may be marginally slower, the sounds that the p1 makes, the way the butt of the car wiggles under acceleration, and even moves around under braking… Is a lot more entertaining than the 918 which feels a bit like a video Game set to "easy" mode.
02-08-2017, 09:05 PM
#187
Nice rig! Enjoy bro
Pretty disheartened by how hard it is get Porsche GT cars...got a cancelled GT3 PTS, but missed on GT3 RS, and can't get a 991.2 allocation. Drove the 570S, 488 GTB, and GT3RS at Exotic Racing in Vegas. 488 = $300K / GT3RS = $240K / 570S = $200K. I am happy with the Mac...
02-08-2017, 10:06 PM
#188
It depends on the situation. The P1 has less total peak drain, with the single e-motor, but the 918 doesn't engages both motors all the time and in those cases, the drain will be less than the P1.
Hence why a P1 can't last a trip up the hill at Goodwood on electric power alone while a 918 can do it.
You will be surprised that a 918 is actually simpler than you think. The front drive system is not connected to the rear physically, so it's just the e-motor and the differentials. The rear motor also sits inline with the rear drivetrain, it is basically a drive through system. The P1's drive system is actually more complex, since it wasn't designed as a hybrid in the first place, there is no room for a conventional inline e-motor, they had to stash it off on one side in place of the starter motor and then interface it with a gear set.
Hence why a P1 can't last a trip up the hill at Goodwood on electric power alone while a 918 can do it.
You will be surprised that a 918 is actually simpler than you think. The front drive system is not connected to the rear physically, so it's just the e-motor and the differentials. The rear motor also sits inline with the rear drivetrain, it is basically a drive through system. The P1's drive system is actually more complex, since it wasn't designed as a hybrid in the first place, there is no room for a conventional inline e-motor, they had to stash it off on one side in place of the starter motor and then interface it with a gear set.
02-08-2017, 10:35 PM
#190
Rennlist Member
Is this why there's a definite sense of pendulum effect, in the P1 when you're in left right left transitions?… The 918 feels infinitely more planted in quick transitions, I always assumed it had something to do with the battery being placed higher, or in any case suboptimally in the P1, versus the 918 which I assume to have the battery lower to the ground?
This isn't to say that the P1 is less enjoyable, in fact while it may be marginally slower, the sounds that the p1 makes, the way the butt of the car wiggles under acceleration, and even moves around under braking… Is a lot more entertaining than the 918 which feels a bit like a video Game set to "easy" mode.
This isn't to say that the P1 is less enjoyable, in fact while it may be marginally slower, the sounds that the p1 makes, the way the butt of the car wiggles under acceleration, and even moves around under braking… Is a lot more entertaining than the 918 which feels a bit like a video Game set to "easy" mode.
The 918 has it's Cg below the wheels center line. All the heavy stuff are below the centreline basically, if you stand net to the car, the top of the engine, not counting the exhaust, is below your knee. That's why it has built in resistance to side to side body roll.
P1 has the battery above the gas tank, which is a compromise of the 12C platform, that why McLaren invented the drop in ride height for Race mode, to drop the Cg down to acceptable level.
02-09-2017, 12:45 AM
#191
thank you neoprufrok! what a slideshow! 
I also guess that the 675LT will be currently more track focused than the first 720S. faster what to expect will be the 720S.
hopefully this weekend are more than a couple of 570s to see in Idiada/Spain. http://www.applusidiada.com/images/1...lication%2Fpdf
i got already a message that all cameras will be taken and phone-cams will be covered with neon stickers.
in exactly one month in Geneva we will know everything. whom i will meet at the McL stand?
We should always keep in mind that new models at McL are 4times out of 5 model-updates with "prettied up design + engine software&suspension setup + some small updates" but a new name.
in another way it wouldn´t be possible to bring another 15 "models" the next 5 years.
I also guess that the 675LT will be currently more track focused than the first 720S. faster what to expect will be the 720S.
hopefully this weekend are more than a couple of 570s to see in Idiada/Spain. http://www.applusidiada.com/images/1...lication%2Fpdf
i got already a message that all cameras will be taken and phone-cams will be covered with neon stickers.
in exactly one month in Geneva we will know everything. whom i will meet at the McL stand?
We should always keep in mind that new models at McL are 4times out of 5 model-updates with "prettied up design + engine software&suspension setup + some small updates" but a new name.
in another way it wouldn´t be possible to bring another 15 "models" the next 5 years.
02-09-2017, 12:46 AM
#192
02-09-2017, 12:46 AM
#193
02-09-2017, 02:47 AM
#194
Race Director
Originally Posted by Whoopsy
The 918 has it's Cg below the wheels center line. All the heavy stuff are below the centreline basically, if you stand net to the car, the top of the engine, not counting the exhaust, is below your knee. That's why it has built in resistance to side to side body roll.
P1 has the battery above the gas tank, which is a compromise of the 12C platform, that why McLaren invented the drop in ride height for Race mode, to drop the Cg down to acceptable level.
P1 has the battery above the gas tank, which is a compromise of the 12C platform, that why McLaren invented the drop in ride height for Race mode, to drop the Cg down to acceptable level.
Anyway, thanks for sharing your knowledge.
02-09-2017, 09:36 AM
#195
Three Wheelin'
Pretty disheartened by how hard it is get Porsche GT cars...got a cancelled GT3 PTS, but missed on GT3 RS, and can't get a 991.2 allocation. Drove the 570S, 488 GTB, and GT3RS at Exotic Racing in Vegas. 488 = $300K / GT3RS = $240K / 570S = $200K. I am happy with the Mac...
Gorgeous Mclaren Grendel88 ! Lovely in that grey tone. Trust me, you are not the only on that is getting fed up with the Ferrari & Porsche way of doing business lately ...
