McLaren Success
07-13-2018, 06:44 PM
#1831
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
Nice spec. What Porsche will see down the road they will loose the GT customer to a competitor, but also loose all the other non-GT cars purchased. Told my Porsche guy MSRP or bust, and I bought the 458 and the wide a GLC AMG 63. He gets it, and says he tired of the games ........recession hits attitudes will change. It’s never good to loose 250k sales I don’t care what business you’re in .....
07-13-2018, 07:17 PM
#1832
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Not sure this would matter for many, but given the general disappointment with the way old time customers are, with exceptions obviously, being treated by some Porsche dealers, the nail in the coffin , form a marketing perspective, could be if McLaren breaks Estre's time in the Ring and publishes a video. Pretty much the same price range the the .23RS, with better performance, better dealer service, and no games? I don't think they want to get into the Ring game, however.
07-13-2018, 07:47 PM
#1833
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The Ring isnt hard enough on cars.
Porsche GT cars
Mustang 350R
AMG GTR is almost there but that’s about it off the showroom floor at Sebring.
Its really hot in the summer, Id buy a McLaren or AMG GTR If I can track drive from 8am till noon and from 1Pm till 5 emptying 4 tanks of fuel and I can drive home.
If anyone’s interested I’m hosting a private track day at Sebring September 6 that allows you to run windows up, AC on.
Porsche GT cars
Mustang 350R
AMG GTR is almost there but that’s about it off the showroom floor at Sebring.
Its really hot in the summer, Id buy a McLaren or AMG GTR If I can track drive from 8am till noon and from 1Pm till 5 emptying 4 tanks of fuel and I can drive home.
If anyone’s interested I’m hosting a private track day at Sebring September 6 that allows you to run windows up, AC on.
07-13-2018, 08:08 PM
#1834
Already got my ordered place for the 1st 600LT from my dealer.
Waiting to hear from Woking to see if the harness bar will make it to our shores. That will dictates how I config the car, if the bar can stay, then I am going with the Senna seats. If not I will take the sofas.
This purchase wouldn't have happened had Porsche not delayed my GT2RS for 5 months, from May production to now perhaps a Oct/Nov production.
Waiting to hear from Woking to see if the harness bar will make it to our shores. That will dictates how I config the car, if the bar can stay, then I am going with the Senna seats. If not I will take the sofas.
This purchase wouldn't have happened had Porsche not delayed my GT2RS for 5 months, from May production to now perhaps a Oct/Nov production.
07-13-2018, 09:39 PM
#1835
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Drove a friend's 570S on track today. NOT impressed! Brake pedal had too much travel and kind of numb. Turbo lag was very noticeable, engine felt kind of off/on. Steering was kind of numb. Worst of all, despite trying various damper settings, the car was quite 'floaty' under braking and when dealing with long-wavelength bumps and elevation changes. Either there was something wrong with this particular car, or it's just not a great track car (I drove an MP4 on track a few years ago and liked it a lot more than this 570S).
I like the 991.1 GT3 WAY better as a track car, in every way. Porsche: There is no substitute.
I like the 991.1 GT3 WAY better as a track car, in every way. Porsche: There is no substitute.
07-13-2018, 10:55 PM
#1836
RL Community Team
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Everyone leaving Porsche.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
07-13-2018, 11:06 PM
#1837
Rennlist Member
Drove a friend's 570S on track today. NOT impressed! Brake pedal had too much travel and kind of numb. Turbo lag was very noticeable, engine felt kind of off/on. Steering was kind of numb. Worst of all, despite trying various damper settings, the car was quite 'floaty' under braking and when dealing with long-wavelength bumps and elevation changes. Either there was something wrong with this particular car, or it's just not a great track car (I drove an MP4 on track a few years ago and liked it a lot more than this 570S).
I like the 991.1 GT3 WAY better as a track car, in every way. Porsche: There is no substitute.
I like the 991.1 GT3 WAY better as a track car, in every way. Porsche: There is no substitute.
Agree....there is a reason the porsche GT cars command a premium...they're worth it. And there is is a reason you can walk into ferrari, mac, lambo and especially mercedes and buy what your heart desires. They would love to sell to you at msrp...but they cant. They sell below msrp and then fall off the day purchased. Be careful what you wish for...porsche could just increase msrp on these cars to the real market price....then what would we have to b#tch about......
07-13-2018, 11:31 PM
#1838
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07-13-2018, 11:41 PM
#1839
Race Director
Agree....there is a reason the porsche GT cars command a premium...they're worth it. And there is is a reason you can walk into ferrari, mac, lambo and especially mercedes and buy what your heart desires. They would love to sell to you at msrp...but they cant. They sell below msrp and then fall off the day purchased. Be careful what you wish for...porsche could just increase msrp on these cars to the real market price....then what would we have to b#tch about......
07-13-2018, 11:46 PM
#1840
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I paid $165k for mine. Nothing even remotely caught my attention in that price range, except another Porsche. At the time my choices were a used 458 or an older Scuderia. Neither can really deliver what my GT3 does. Ask yourself this. If the .2 RS was selling for $350k MSRP could you not make a strong argument that it should be on your shortlist when shopping for cars in that price range? These GT cars offer amazing value. And they deliver in every category that matters to a car enthusiast. Hence strong demand, and the above MSRP market price.
07-14-2018, 12:13 AM
#1841
Agree....there is a reason the porsche GT cars command a premium...they're worth it. And there is is a reason you can walk into ferrari, mac, lambo and especially mercedes and buy what your heart desires. They would love to sell to you at msrp...but they cant. They sell below msrp and then fall off the day purchased. Be careful what you wish for...porsche could just increase msrp on these cars to the real market price....then what would we have to b#tch about......
07-14-2018, 12:25 AM
#1842
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those are so far out of my price range, I wouldnt know.... I'm sure you are right. But, again, whats the price range for those two? I assume they are significantly higher than GT3, GT3RS and GT2RS, right?
07-14-2018, 12:26 AM
#1843
Race Car
Originally Posted by Nizer
997.1 GT3, 997.2 RS - owned both at MSRP without much effort. At the time only a few dealers in my area charged ADM's. Now only a few dealers don't charge ADM, plus there's more demand since auto box so that exacerbates the situation. It'll change eventually.
Again, my main beef is not ADM but the way dealers are treating long-term customers. I had deposit down 991.2 RS for well over a year at MSRP as in the past. Time comes to order and I get the full Glengarry Glen Ross with cars treatment from the salesman. Meanwhile I'm watching and listening to sales manager on the other side of sales floor frantically calling other dealerships to collude on highest ADM they can charge. Finally an hour later saleman comes back and says they want $60k for the allocation. Needless to say they'll never get another sale from me or any local Porsche buyer who asks for a recommendation.
If a dealer wants to charge ADM that's their prerogative, but don't string me along for a year and then pull a bait and switch at the eleventh hour.
Again, my main beef is not ADM but the way dealers are treating long-term customers. I had deposit down 991.2 RS for well over a year at MSRP as in the past. Time comes to order and I get the full Glengarry Glen Ross with cars treatment from the salesman. Meanwhile I'm watching and listening to sales manager on the other side of sales floor frantically calling other dealerships to collude on highest ADM they can charge. Finally an hour later saleman comes back and says they want $60k for the allocation. Needless to say they'll never get another sale from me or any local Porsche buyer who asks for a recommendation.
If a dealer wants to charge ADM that's their prerogative, but don't string me along for a year and then pull a bait and switch at the eleventh hour.
07-14-2018, 01:02 AM
#1844
Rennlist Member
Yeah, thats BS. hate to hear it...dealers should at least be up front and stick to what they agree to. Taking an existing, long term customers deposit, promising an allocation and then shopping it to the highest bidder is the definition of unscrupulous.
07-14-2018, 03:22 AM
#1845
Burning Brakes
Without a doubt the .2 3 or RS and I don’t think the 2RS will touch the LT 600 on the track. The McLaren overall is just a better driving experience. That said the GT3 is a better track car than the 570S. But the 570 was never designed for the track. It is squiffy under braking for sure. The 600LT will be an epic car but where will it stand two years later? That’s the big concern for me and the reason I told my dealer today I’m passing on my allocation. I can rely on my .2 RS. But without a doubt you can walk into McLaren dealer and buy what you want there and then with no games.
